Who counted 600,000 illegal guns?

How were 600,000 illegal guns counted?

Is Mise, guilty of misinformation; "You should know by now that the more guns that there are in civilian hands means less crime,"

Where is your evidence that there are more guns, or indeed it leads to less crime. A nonsense argument. It is as logical as claiming more vehicles on the roads, unlike your gun claim can be verified, has led to less fatalities. In the case of the roads other factors like vehicles safety, better roads, better policing, new laws, speed controls, breathalyzers etc, and despite the fact there are more vehicles on the roads has led to less fatalities. If for a moment we accept the more guns line, could there be other factors which have led to less crime, like better policing, tougher laws, a growing number of materially better off people. Is Mise as usual you are losing the argument, because you rely on nonsense to build your case!

How about those machetes? Are you in favor of such items for "self defense? Don't be squeamish about this, in the name of public safety, head must roll, literally!

Paul,

"The proud claim that Australia may have “solved the gun problem” might only be a temporary illusion. In recent years, arms dealers have imported more guns than ever before. And last year we crossed a symbolic threshold: for the first time in 20 years, Australia’s national arsenal of private guns is larger than it was before the Port Arthur massacre .....From the late 1970s, gun deaths in Australia have trended downwards. The risk of an Australian dying by gunshot remains less than half what it was before Port Arthur. Research shows that murderers did not move to other methods."

From a study done by that darling of the anti-gun crowd, Philip Alpers of Sydney Uni.
I'll give the reference if you need it, but if I go off to get it now I'll have to post this first; having some little computer problems, it's on Google.

So you see, Paul, more guns, less deaths.

o sung wu,

Have a deko at this, mate, and I never claimed to be this good, the torso on the figure target is about 18 x 12 inches!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcDGGZtKbi0

Anyone else that thinks that pistols are not effective should also have a look.

//more guns, less deaths.//

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Is Mise, your more is less argument is vague and does not provide an explanation as to why the number of gun deaths in Australia has declined since Port Arthur. The gun control measures introduced by the Howard Government were successful. Since 1996 the number of licensed firearm owners has decreased significantly, down by 50%, 6.52 per 100 in 1997 to 3.32 in 2012. Registered guns 1996 3.2 million, 2012 2.75 million. Licensed gun owners declined by 470,000 in the same period, also the number of households with a gun dropped by around two thirds, Households possessing a handgun is well done. Howard also introduced tougher regulations as to who could own a gun, and how guns and ammunition can be stored. These factors are far more significant reasons as to why there are less gun deaths, than your vague assertion that its all due to more guns in society.

And your thoughts on machetes, as a weapon of "self defense"? I said don't be squeamish about it! Where is you answer, you are dodging it.

Is Mise, one day you will win an argument with me, but not today!