Hi o sung wu,

You might be right, maybe there is some form of macho tribalism, associated with gun ownership. In my case my own son has a gun licence, I call it "unrestricted", he got it when he was working in the bush a few years ago to shoots pest animals, whatever class of licence that is. He is now a public bus driver, and he comes across the regular nutters almost daily, some very aggressive people at times. I would put it to is Mise should public bus drives be issued firearms, as they are put in a confrontational/violent position almost daily. But I do not believe that should give them the right to tote a gun.

The issuing of universal gun licences to combat a perceived violent society is self fore-filling. Initially few would take up the opportunity, but as they did more and more gun violence would occur, resulting in more and more people obtaining a gun for self defense in a growing violent society.

As a retired policeman, can you tell me why police in general are against universal gun ownership. I'm sure they have very good reasons for it, like it would increase their vulnerability and the general public even when dealing with sometimes minor matters.

Is Mise, I even when against my own party when you gunnies got the ANZAC Range at Malabar back. As a Green I can't be fairer than that.

For all those that think that pistols are useless except at close range

"The revolver is usually the subject when long-range handgunning is discussed. Ed McGivern, that wizard of fast and fancy revolver shooting, once said that armed with a good 6-inch .357 magnum revolver he felt he was the match of any man with a 94 Winchester to 600 yards. While I might not entirely agree with that statement, I feel completely comfortable carrying the 6-inch Smith during deer season as my only gun."

http://www.gundigest.com/guns/handgun-reviews-articles/handloading_longrangehandgun

o sung wu,

Think on this one, I used to demonstrate the effectivness of the Owen gun at long range by riddling the standard figure target at 400 yards, at the same range 44 gallon drums could be penetrated with the 9mm but on new drums they wouldn't go through the other side but would dent it.
Aiming picture was base of the target resting on the outside top of the rear sight and the underside of the foresight bracket resting on the top of the target.

Paul,

You should know by now that the more guns that there are in civilian hands means less crime, bye the way your recent comparison of me to Wyatt Earp was a real compliment.

Saw a nice shot (sorry, picture!!) of you and your partner; was on TV I think, about a fortnight ago, you scrub up well!.

Is Mise I always agree with anything that good old Mr Ed has to say.

"I feel completely comfortable carrying the 6-inch Smith during deer season as my only gun."

Oh dear, and how do the deer's feel about that. What have the poor deer's done!

When is hunting season for hunters, so I can feel comfortable hunting a few rough hunters with my Howitzer. I can get off 600 shots in 6 seconds with my trusty weapon.

Is Mise should people be able to carry machetes for self defense? I have a fear of guns, my Howitzer is very noisy and the neighbors complain when I do a bit of target practice, so I would be comfortable with a very large knife like instrument. It has a few positives, does not require expensive ammunition, its results are plain to see, a deterrent to others. My partner has bro's who are pretty handy with one, 'Three Finger' Tom, can take the top of a coconut quicker that you can say "dead deer", therefore free lessons for me. Doesn't make a noise, wont wake up the neighbors etc etc.
Sounds like the ideal weapon of self defense to me. what do you think?

"44 gallon drums could be penetrated with the 9mm but on new drums they wouldn't go through the other side but would dent it."

A drum with a hole in it, is about as useless as hunter with a gun!

Is Mise you may quote me on that.

p/s What have the drums done? Were they simply hanging around with the deer's.

Surely it's obvious a village or a nation where various people are known to be armed, is less likely to be attacked than if unarmed.

The deterrent factor is number one in self defense, prevention being better that the cure.
Bullies come to mind, when the odds are not in their favor.

Views of police are sensible views but commissioners follow the political views mostly coming from media.
Sensible police in general know about the advantage of high power heavy automatics. Many police are from the bush where guns are virtually part of normal life.

My views are based on fact I had a 22 after my Dad died when I was 5. I just respected that rifle and never played with it. Later I went onto 240,000 acres in Paroo River country well west of Bourke. Guns were just part of life and I have never heard of any crime or gun accident out there.

Re this thread, I was recently contacted by police about a magnum powerhead I had for diving. In the early days we did not understand shark behavior and a powerhead often kept the heartbeat down. Powerhead's never needed a license though a few weeks ago I had to send a second Stat Dec about the whereabouts of that head, so to close the weapons licensing file.

Looking back on it all there is obvious evidence sensible Australians should be allowed to protect themselves.

I think gun law here should go back to what it was 50 years ago when there was less crime compared to the population number and crimes these days.

Look at the non-sense about howitzers etc on this thread.It nonsense. Non - sence, no sense.

I suggest get back to reality and sensible debate instead of all that waste of time ridiculous paranoid BS.