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Welfare of Australia, Finger Pointing.
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Posted by steve101, Friday, 23 September 2016 11:17:20 AM
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Cut to the chase.Far to much talk and no action.
Christopher Porter ,The Minister of Social Services stated at the National Press Club this week that 80% of all Australian Income Tax is paid out in Welfare. This shocking statistic had no effect on his boss Malcolm Turnbull, who some six hours after Porter delivered his stats.Announced at the U.N.in New York that Australia would spend $150,000,000 on extra funding for refugees plus committed he would bring in Latin American Refugees into Australia to help Hillary Clinton to win the Presidential race. Trump has said that proportiately Latin illegals into the U.S.A. are much more likely to murder ,rape or rob than all other races in America. So Malcolm and you the Tax payers have committed billions of lifetime welfare for tthes new Latin Immigrants.As the ALP would say we could have build more Hospitals and Schools with these billions. As for education.Expectation is everything.The British education model for low expectation was the 11 year olds taking an exam and only allowing the top ten per cent to enter Grammar Schools .The rest were told they were dumb ,but at least there was a dumb job at the end of education at 15 years of age. Today an Australian youth can expect to stay in education for as long as it takes him to find a job.If he is looking for a technical job he will be fighting against Indians. If he is looking for a medical position he will be competing with everybody.Accountancy means fighting for a positition against a Chinese. So few jobs and so many people. Posted by BROCK, Friday, 23 September 2016 10:47:49 PM
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@steve101, that's some really interesting info you've posted. Hadn't heard of some it before, and the 'education' connection sounds possible. Thanks. I may add some things later.
- @BROCK: "that 80% of all Australian Income Tax is paid out in Welfare." Is it? Do you have any problems with possibly being intentionally manipulated with sophistry by your Ministers of the Crown Brock? I think 1-2% of all Australian Income Tax is paid as a Tax Deduction/Credit to those who have a Residential Rental Property BUSINESS - a combined business sector running avg Net Loss of 25% per year, year after year. Should 100% all Income Tax payers be subsidising the long term wealth creation of ~8% of Taxpayers who are already in the top 20% of Income earners on the basis they run a loss making 'business'? Then also get a long term Capital Gain due to RE Price growth built into the system - with a 50% DISCOUNT off their CGT as well? Is that logical - fair - moral - a productive use of federal Taxes giving "welfare/income support" to the more wealthier of the nation? Because it costs approx. $4 billion a year which is ~ 10 to 20 times more than the federal govt has ever payed to 'subsidies the auto industry. The "spending savings" just announced were only $1.3 billion/year. (do check my numbers they are from memory) Framing PR Advertising Public Opinion - Framing effect (psychology) The framing effect is an example of cognitive bias, in which people react to a particular choice in different ways depending on how it is presented; e.g. as a loss or as a gain. People tend to avoid risk when a positive frame is presented but seek risks when a negative frame is presented. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_effect_(psychology) http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/resource-center/education-policy-and-practice/the-framing-of-no-child-left-behind/ Cherry-Picking Fallacy Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cherry_picking - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 24 September 2016 12:04:36 AM
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Hi Thomas,
Yes I did generalise, 'by some leftist globalist halfwit' and you were right to correct me. I see all these Soros, Neocons, Clintons, Private Central Bankers, Corporate Elites, Special Interests etc, as being part of the same stupid NWO club, though it might be naive to do so as they probably have their own different agendas. It's hard to make sense of the world, I don't exactly have a handle on it, but I think I'm more up to speed on a lot of issues than the average Joe. I don't totally get Aussie politics; who's supporting and funding who, and where all their real loyalties lie but I'm slowly trying to learn more. From what I get Labor party are progressive, with 'communist' undertones. Bill Shorten was on the George Soros funded 'GetUp's original board. http://concit.org/soros-and-his-australian-minions/ CFMEU is among the biggest donors to the Labour Party. http://www.afr.com/news/cfmeu-shop-assistants-and-united-voice-among-biggest-donors-to-labor-party-20160201-gmipq0 CFMEU has links to Communist Parties http://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/2014/1625/03-letter-of-solidarity.html So I'm not sure if Labour's 'Health and Education' is all just part of a script taken from the Communist Manifesto. Anyways.. I also think the US is not likely to win another world war if it comes to it. Russia's pushed too far ahead with it's electronic warfare capabilities and upgraded weapons and has a military pact with China. That attack in Aleppo on foreign intelligence operatives shows who's leading the rebels doesn't it? I hadn't seen the footage of US troops given their marching orders by the 'moderates' and I thought Iran wasn't going to allow any more Russian missions from its territory, though I'm not surprised. It seemed as though they were just upset that Russia had made it public. The Malcolm Fraser article was interesting. Regarding my media criticism, It got to me for a second, putting two and two together to see that it's no wonder where this country is and how uninformed the average person is because of corporate media that fails to actually inform people and give them unbiased facts. Everything you said regarding criticism of news reporting, I agree entirely. Nice vent too BTW. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 24 September 2016 10:46:33 AM
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Hi Prof. Armchair Critic - I am trying to get off this site and do a long list of chores, but people like you keep distracting me. :-)
I need to stop asap, however, I have read your comments and totally get it. And thanks for saying 'vent' rather than 'rant'. You got that correct. Can you imagine what I might say under parliamentary privilege and named names? lol Note the keywords of "FROM the CPA TO the CFMEU" Anyone can write anything they want TO someone. It doesn't mean they asked for it or agree. imo AC there is a mythical left-right false dichotomy in public discourse that is intentionally used to manipulate the public - and avoid the whole truth by all sides. They have become "trigger words" to activate deep subconscious emotions. eg Bob Brown's "big polluters" phrase. This is PR / Sophistry - false framing, no matter who uses it. It is of course inescapable, when it is pushed via the media who "report" the words into our homes. The Communists are as big a threat to Oz unions/society as us becoming a majority Muslim population under Sharia Law - ZERO - it's just not true. Joh used this same device in the 60s and 70s with his "reds under the beds" mentality broad brushing "labor" with it - it wasn't true then, it isn't today. There is one reasonable historical truth that persists in western society - Capital vs Workers - that's true, but only up to a point. There is more to the story. eg both sides have been and can still be corrupt liars and manipulators - the SPECIFIC Facts matter (truth?) more than claims made. All we EVER get is the rhetoric that pushes everyone's buttons one way or another. There is no genuine 'public opinion' it is always contrived and created by others. We are born into it. Whomever Controls Majority Opinion - Controls 'Reality' - Nth Korea or here, it's only a matter of 'degrees' or 'inches'. Point at the screen, look at your fingers. - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 24 September 2016 12:59:54 PM
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Having 'skin in the game' pointing out faults in the other side, always has 3 fingers pointing back at themselves! Unconscious psychology!
Look into someone's eyes you see their 'heart/soul'. The Words people use then you see into their Mind, 'art/skill' few can do. Learn from http://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=george+lakoff+youtube&tbm=vid All Dogma is the enemy of human freedom. Ideological, religious, political or social. Our lives are made up of dogma of some kind, which demands that everything happening SHOULD fit into a narrow pov only. Nothing is more oppressive than 'public opinion.' Democracy is based on CONSTITUTIONAL Basic Rights to protect from 'tyranny of populism.' Mass consciousness of a culture/mindset/beliefs silences individuals, ostracizes genius, kills solutions, stops initiative, promotes mediocrity, thrives on injustice! Corporate Media (socialmedia) creates public opinion, not the people who are 'the silent majority.' Newspapers, TV, think tanks, special interests, especially Politicians and Parties CREATE 'public opinion' out of thin air. Most people follow that 'public opinion' established by the media. Not facts, evidence or truth about Russia, China, Ukraine, Syria, ISIS etc. 1960s Kennedy used hard evidence to SHOW what was happening in Cuba. What do we get in 2016? ONLY WORDS! CURRENT BELIEFS are artificially created by highly trained professionals, experts in psychology, writing scripts, marketing, PR. I know as Marketing Exec in former life, AIM member. PM Fraser, statesman truth teller, was soundly defeated by relentless 'public opinion' techniques. He was laughed into the wilderness as an old fool. I watched this happen to him for years - I knew everything in his book a decade before! Today Howard is 'singing the praises' of Menzies. Part of planned strategy to SWING PUBLIC OPINION. An "advertorial" for a specific IDEOLOGICAL BELIEF to become the 'accepted new public opinion' in 2016 ongoing. It's all LIES aka Sophistry in action. Using ABC public broadcaster no less, which Howard despised. That's intentional, it is their "target market"! You may not have all the details/methods AC yet, trust your instincts they are on the money! Union Corruption is a pimple compared to corporate financial political corruption here & now. Three Fingers! - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Saturday, 24 September 2016 1:37:06 PM
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My accusation is that school education hurries the brain, filling the pre-frontal cortex with useless trivial information, confusing probable intellectual rational thought that may have guided human behaviour correctly out of emotional childhood learning.
My often accusations about school learning is that children attend school at aged 5 years, is too young.
The mentioned man, I suggest, was not ready to attend school. The man I believe was child-like cleverly inducing endorphins into his brain, to self-medicate ongoing classroom mental stress. The man's enthusiastic partaking in teacher question and answer games, also mentioned by 1999 media as a cause of mental illness. Caused the man to be overly: competitive; narcissistic... the need to feel good to overcome mental stress, aided continued child-like, redirected emotional self-programming.
Instead of child-hood physical action emotional self-programming merely fading away to a more barely being able to feel emotional responses. Children attending schooling too early while maintaining emotional self-programming. Classroom mental stress, children being held in environment of limited experiences, while being forced to compete with each other. Teachers restricting communication between students while being held in classrooms. Limited experiences children's short attention spans, short simple phrases. Emotional gratifications swings between smart and dumb. The Depersonalisation Disorder is an optimal diagnoses for school students' bad and irrational behaviours.
Family violence issues where predominately men are blamed for, should be closely associated with many symptoms described on the Wikipedia website “Depersonalisation Disorder”.
The idea that many people take illegal drugs even after many warnings are given, “Depersonalisation Disorder” plus the need to take medicating drugs to repress morphine withdrawal addictions. That people need to drink excessive amounts of alcohol. “Depersonalisation Disorder” fits the profile.
For more of my relevant readings on bad schooling:
http://www.psychforums.com/living-with-mental-illness/topic186240.html#p1928482
steve101.