Hi Lefty,

"By the definition that you don’t like others and don’t want to be near them, you are a racist. By the definition that you don’t like others and don’t want to be near them, you are a racist."

I wouldn't want to live in a street full of Nazis. Or ISIS. Or Boko Haram ('Education is Filth').

Islam is not a 'race'. There is no specific Muslim 'race'. People who are Muslim share their ethnicity or 'race' with people from other religions.

Not all Muslims support fascist ideologies such as that of ISIS. Supporters of ISIS seem to come from pretty much every ethnic group, or 'race'.

To the extent that an ideology is evil, that it seeks to harm innocent people, don't you think it should be criticised ?

If a religion, or a set of religious books, gives rise to such an ideology, don't you think it should be criticised ?

As for killings in the Middle East, My understanding is that most of the dead in Syria have been killed by the bombers of Russia and Assad. If drones can target ISIS fighters, I have not the slightest qualm about their use.

Cheers,

Joe

Hay Loudmouth
You are correct that Muslims marched west as far Spain in the same way the Romans marched over their border hundreds of years before. However if you read about the conditions in the west at the time, it could be argued that they were simply trying to civilize a part of the world, that needed help The same justification used by Rome in the past and Washington, London, and Paris et al in the present.

The east was after all the birth place of civilization, and had been the dominate culture for thousands of years, creating mathematics, astronomic knowledge, and medical advancement to name a few.Also it was the Muslims who’s superior knowledge of the time who established universities in the 6 and 7 centuries, in feudal western part of Europe.

Come on Joe, don’t you follow the news. Since the end of WW2 the west has been sticking its military fingers into the affairs of many nations in the Middle East and beyond, just to control the supply of oil that it has by the bucket load. They created the mujaheddin to drag the Russians into a no win war in Afganistan, then created Al Qaeda to wipe out the Mujaheddin.

The Crusades were an edict from the Pope of the day. They recruited monks, nights, and a rapidly expanding population of mischievous youth. The monks were probably on a mission to regain the old Christian cities, which they disastrously failed to do because of incompetent field officers, and the strength of the Byzantine Empire of the time. They were also given a get out of Jail free card by the pope. What that means is, whatever sins you commit from now till you pop your clogs; your absolved of, thus no hell for eternity if you got into a bit of rape and pillage. The youth were sent for the same reason they were sent to fight each other in WW1, and that is so they are not a threat to the elite of the day.

Chris

LO,

You just had to say 'racist' didn't you? You can call me whatever you like, but I'll give you the a definition of a racist from someone of my ilk: "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal". He is American, but you can translate 'liberal' to Marxist, Commo, to suit you.

If you are not trying to 'convert' anyone, but merely want to express your opinion, try doing that and not picking fights with me or other posters.

And, my opinions are not compulsory reading; feel free to ignore them. After you arrived, very recently, I decided that I wouldn't be reading yours, responding only to your smart-arsed comments to me. Keeping raving on, by all means, but don't expect me to get involved.

You lot can crap on as much as you like, the reality is the world need changing and it needs the likes of the Trumps to make such changes.

As for here in Oz, we too need to change our ways and this dud we have must also be replaced.

We need leaders with balls who will make the tough choices.

As for living on $263 per week, there are plenty of fruit picking jobs out there, they pay on performance not by the hour, which is as it should be.

The other thing to remember is that that $263 is for doing NOTHING!

LEFTY ONE,
Regards Islam, you should firstly watch this video on it, then we'll talk again.
http://youtu.be/-YpJjRzQDIM

I have also watched videos from the other point of view where Muslims talk about Israel wanting to become the next ruling state in the world (Pax Judaica), of starting a big war, but not wanting to do so seen as the aggressor.
http://youtu.be/DeQ_wfUBjws

This is a bigger subject and there's a lot to it I'm not going into right now.

And THIS is the only reasonable response I can find (being half awake on a Sunday morning) for ANY GROUP with a global conquest mindset who wishes to subvert Australia.
http://youtu.be/YRKhTvUUYMI

Rehctub,
'...there are plenty of fruit picking jobs out there, they pay on performance not by the hour, which is as it should be.'
It sounds like an awesome idea but we can't do that because of political correctness.
Don't you understand women might complain that they're getting paid less than men?

I have however come up with a solution.
What we need to do is make 2 different prices...
1 price for fruit picked BY women FOR women and another price for fruit picked BY men FOR men.
There just isn't any other way in this PC world of 'equality'.
Of course the fruit for women will be more expensive as they can't pick as much but expect the same wage...

It's like the whinging about wanting paid maternity leave...
Don't they know it will make them less likely to be employed in the first place.
Maybe that's their angle.

- Sorry - I got carried away - You know I love pointing out the flaws contained in dumb ideas -

Yes I understand arm chair.

The fact is people don't have to work here and if they are cunning enough, and have the smarts, often something that is passed down from generations, they actually earn (pardon the pun) more than the workers once you remove the costs associated with holding a job.

Just having stayed in Bali, Club Med, I noticed the gardens and lawn ns are perfect, not even a leaf out of place. I was amazed to see up to 5 guys pushing push mowers whereas the same scenario here would be one guy on a zero turn mower and there in lies the difference. If you don't work there you either rely on your own family, not the tax payer, or you stave.

Perhaps life here is going to turn a complete circle out of necessity as we continue to strive towards zero jobs as we are seeing many jobs either being made obsolete, or major employers seeking a solution towards this.

When you think about it, we all want better paying jobs, automated equipment, more flexible hours, more reasons for leave (maternity, bereavement, stress, even domestic violence leave) while taking a slash and burn approach to cutting emissions. In reality, ten bucks an hour may be closer than we think because there will be so many competing for so few jobs, jobs that cant be automated.