It's terrible, isn't it Armchair Critic? And to think she's the only one who stands in the way of America being run by someone as dangerous as Trump.

armchaircritick

So here we all are then, basicly all pointing out why two individuals are unfit and unwanted for the most powerful job on earth. I cant argue with anything you have said because it is probably true. Equally for those of us who have a similar litany of issues with Trump. I like most on this site dont have a vote, and if we did it would not make the slightest difference to the result.

So what can we, the great unwashed do about the reality that all the effort of our forbears to get a vote for us, seems to have been in vain

However there is something we can all do if we can be bothered to get out of our over stuffed chairs, switch off the main stream media and get involved in local issues. Also above all talk to people who hold a different point of view. Especially use the time they are speaking,to listen to what their are saying, instead of thinking what you are going to say next.

Bottom line is we can make a difference if we can be bothered , if not I suggest you start looking for somewhere to hide form the authorities as police states have a habit of eventually rounding up any one who has an opinion that is not in line with their thinking.
Chris.

Hey LEFTY ONE,
I'm pretty sure Hillary would give the green light for a drone strike on my house if she could get away with it.
She loves talking about the 'vast right wing conspiracy' against her and 'the alternate right' (they make up terms that they can use to denigrate) plus they don't have a problem killing innocents or those they don't like.

But free speech is like a muscle, if you don't use it you lose it.
And those who give up liberty for a small amount of security deserve neither.
If I worry about what others think and self-censor then the globalists would win anyway.
They want us just to sit here and say nothing while they force immigration upon us and destroy our sovereignty, and if we complain they attack us and call us 'racist'.

Globalists v's Nationalists that's what the game is, while Gorge Soros laughs all the way to the bank with currency trading and promoting open borders and moving towards global government while normal citizens are being played off with all the leftist agendas.
Nationalist fighting with immigrants... or/ A nation of citizens and immigrants fighting amongst ourselves.
That's how they like it, people are a whole lot easier to manipulate when they aren't united.
Not really such thing as a nation anymore, merely countries to be ruled over by corporations (who don't pay tax - only small businesses and employees) and sovereignty given up by weak traitorous politicians who care more about making money and being part of a globalist club none of us are invited into after they've finished national politics.

Only small businesses and workers pay tax.

Hi Lefty One and Armchair Critic,

I agree with both of you, that the people united are a bit harder to defeat. Movements should be aiming at that sort of solidarity, unity on the basis of common basic principles such as freedom of expression AND the equal quality of every life.

If course, there are issues that divide us, but there are usually issues which fundamentally unite us, all of us, regardless of ethnicity, gender, and even, maybe, religion/ideology.

The common enemy is the crippling and denigration of democracy, totalitarianism of both Left and Right. If there are to any better future united societies, they have to be built - probably painfully - on democracy, equality, freedom of expression and other Enlightenment values. i.e. better democracy - and as you both hint, that means that people must be more active in defending and fighting for that future, step by step.

Cheers,

Joe

Not just America, but the rest of the world would be better off with Trump or someone like him. People who think this is not so are blind to what is happening all around the world: people are sick of lazy, self-serving elites who have made a career of politics. Trump is not a politician; he is not tainted like the Clintons, the Bushes or others tied to political parties and the system - even the Republicans hate him (he could put an end to all that cheap labour from Mexico, and give the working and middle classes a say in what happens in their country, and how white Americans feel regarding rapidily becoming minorities in areas all over their own country). Trump, Brexit and the rising discontent of the young in Hong Kong (not pleased about losing the democracy they enjoyed before they were hand back to Communist China), as well as the results of our own election, are signs of the disgust felt for elites and do-nothing windbags. Get used to it, folks.

armchaircritick
I assume you live in Aus, so not much chance that the US will be sending drones to silence you.

I sent you and your like minded posties a challenge. Stop sitting around and doing your "plane load of poms" impression about how bad things have become.It is time that all those who are sick of the corporate elite making all the decisions for their benefit, to do something or stop complaining about it.

It is time for farmers to talk directly to consumers, small business employees to talk to the owner, they are the backbone of the nation as you stated. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book, and we are letting them get away with it. Immigrants are not your enemy, Australia is a nation of immigrants.

Ok time to stand up for a future you can be proud of, at least you dont have to carry a gun to make a difference, unlike the last generation.


Chris