Hey Armchair Critic
I use the label to get into conversation with people like your good self, as I feel the real enemy (the extreme wealthy) use main stream media(which they own ) to make us think our ideas are incompatible.

You are not a racist, using the dictionary definition. However many like me use a slightly different definition, and that is someone who dislikes/hates someone simply because they are of a different faith. I am guessing if we were talking about Buddhists, you may well say, I don’t mind them.

And now to your,”I don’t want Muslims in my country because they are the enemy”. The reason for this you have stated is, their belief system includes religion, politics and the military. I think that is a label that could sit well with some Christians, and even some who claim to be Buddhists.
I think you have avoided any Muslims and their temples, so your understanding of the religion is given to you by our friends in the MSM.

I got a bit confused with your car deal analogy, but I get it now. So I guess that means that when Coles negotiates with dairy farmers the price of milk, that is economically unsustainable for the farmers, then it is ok to be hard line?

You think the good Muslims should rise up and destroy the bad ones. Seems reasonable, until you throw into the mix the fact that the Middle East has been invaded many times by the Christian west, and today their skies are full of drones looking for someone to kill. I put it to you that if Australian sky’s were full of American drones, you would support anyone who fought back, and however they did it.

Chris

AC,

I agree with you on labelling. I am a conservative by any measure, but that does not stop me from being horrified and angry that Australians who have worked into their middle years, but are suddenly made redundant, have to survive on $263 per week New Start allowance, particularly now that there is little chance that they will ever get a new start. Or, workers being asked to take a pay cut in hard times, but never the managers, who are likely to part of the problem in the first place. Rot starts at the top, and the buck should stop where the big bucks are. Then there are people who are homeless, not because they always have been, but because they are forced to work a few hours a week, and are then considered to be "employed". Kids neglected or killed because of drug addled parents and incompetent government protection. The list goes on, and it's that list that is more important than people whining about refugees, multiculturalism, and foreign bludgers sapping a welfare system they have not contributed to.

I don't think that my white race and culture is better than anyone elses, but it is mine and it is different. All people are worth something, but that doesn't mean that they should live in Australia and eventuall undermine us, which looks like happening if the elites and Marxists continue to get their way, with the help of the media.

Back to the labelling. If people like Lefy One self-label and present themselves as all idealogue and no heart, the deserve what they get.

Cont’
So return the illegal immigrants, and secure the border.

How many of the unemployed have the skill or stamina to fill all the empty fields and hospitals jobs they would leave behind.

Many have been in the US for decades, so their children are just like any other American kids. Would you tear the family apart, or simple throw them all out, and where would you send them if they have no documents, and would not tell you where they are from. And then there is the wall. As you can’t just run it along the banks of the Rio Grande, as there are laws that prohibit that. Let’s say you are a land owner and they decide to build the wall through the middle of it, which a situation that exists now with the wall that is already there. And that is without even thinking about who is going to pay for it.

Unfortunately when you get a leader you get the whole package. His tax policy would hand out tax breaks, to everyone, but especially to people like him. He would increase spending on the military, despite the fact they already spend more than the next seven countries combined. As we have already found out, a conventional military is no match for a soldier on a suicide mission.

The reason I don’t think like you, despite being surrounded by a similar belief system whilst growing up, is that I went on an old bus from London to New Delhi in the early seventies. It took 5 weeks and there were 9 different nationalities out of 27 passengers.

I understand that you like being around your own kind, but history tells us the more we isolate from others, the more likelihood of war. Few in Australia alive today have experienced war; I suggest you talk to some old soldiers, if you don’t think war will be a problem for you or your family.

Chris

Lefty One,

No, you are quite wrong: religions are not races. Ideologies are not races. Surely, as someone on the Left, you have no hesitation about criticising someone with an objectionable ideology or who tries to shove religion down your neck ?

So it is with some of the ideologies which Islam has thrown up, perhaps countless times since 612 AD. After all, if one's religion dictates that every word of the 'sacred book' is directly from one's god, never to be added to or taken away, then one is stuck with a book which gets more and more out of date, almost from the outset. So reality, real living, the real world, is bound to clash with one's precepts.

And as societies develop, as scientific knowledge develops, as the notion of human rights becomes more sophisticated (especially for women), then the strains between reality and a backward-looking religion grow - and fester. So reactionaries are bound to try to resolve this contradiction by retreating to unreality, to their book. But modern life moves forward, inexorably. So a return to a mythical origin becomes more impossible in contrast to the dynamics of the outside world.

As an inevitable consequence, the ideologies based on reactionary interpretations of the book have to become more extreme, more violent, more paranoid, and the outside world has to be more and more demonised. Ergo, anti-Western propaganda.

So why shouldn't those reactionary ideologies be criticised, and condemned ? I agree that the vast majority of Muslims may not really give much thought to what is in their book, and are probably horrified at what is being done in its name - in THEIR name.

If I am vaguely correct, the defeat of ISIS will not bring an end to the conflicts between Islam and the modern world. Such fascist ideologies will keep bubbling up, in worse forms, and I think, throughout this century, until Islam is somehow 'reformed'.

[TBC]

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Lefty One,

As for the many invasions of the Middle East by the West, pot-kettle.

Apart from the Crusades to regain Christian cities and nations a thousand years ago, and the few short decades after WW I, when and where has the West done that ?

Islam launched itself at the west for more than a thousand years, threatening France barely a hundred miles from Paris in 732 AD, and besieging Vienna in 1699. Islam invaded and occupied Spain for eight hundred years: can the West match that ? Islam invaded and occupied much of the Balkans for nearly as long, and left it the poorest part of Europe.

Cheers,

Joe

Ttbn
So you are happy with your label but, you agree more with Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump. It would appear that my label gets up your nose and you think I believe all the things the bosses tell you about my type in Their media.

If you want to know who the real bludgers are, read about people who work in the financial industry. Many make millions of dollars a year for watching a screen all day, and contributing nothing. Or those that sell payday loans to those, who are struggling the most, for hundreds of percent per year.

By the definition that you don’t like others and don’t want to be near them, you are a racist. I know you hate being called that because you accept other as equals, but they should live over there were ever that is. If the people you identify with would stop invading where they are from, then I think they would probably prefer to stay where their ancestors are buried. Unfortunately their home lands are now just piles of rubble thanks’ to the coalition of the willing, that your government supports.

What would you do if there was a chance of death every day? No food, work, and your house had just been demolished by a drone. I am guessing you would sell what every you had left, borrow what you could and pay whatever the price to get to somewhere safe and start again.

There is a saying, there but for the grace of god go I. If you want the refuges to stop, then convince your government to stop destroying their neighborhood

I am not sure what you mean “get what I deserve” I can assure you that people having a go at me, is what gets me up in the morning, as I love to have a verbal joust with people who think differently. I am not looking to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to give I point of view you will not find in the elite owned MSM.
Chris