http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-25/anne-aly-says-prison-de-radicalisation-programs-unlikely-to-work/7659522

Labor MP Anne Aly reckons the proposed deradicalisation program for muslim criminals will not work and I agree with her. Keeping them in jail longer will keep the public safer for longer though.

As Anne Aly says many of the prisoners claim they are in there because of their religion not for terrorism activities. If they hold that view nothing will change the view.

What is the difference between a radical muslim and a so called moderate muslim? One uses a gun or explosives and the other demands that 'those that insult Allah be beheaded'. Not much difference there and they both believe the same thing. One throws homosexuals off tall buildings and the other says they should be. One kills girls for not becoming sex slaves and the other says adultous women should be stoned. Very little between them. Even here in Aus the 'moderates, marched with signs calling for beheadings.
So much for having moderate' views.

It seems plain to me that the only way to prevent more and more radical muslims is to stop importing muslims. If 15-25% hold radical views then we have 100,000 radical muslims here now. So why do we keep importing more? Obviously as they don't like us 'infidels' and have no respect for our laws and society, they would be happier elsewhere.

"What is the difference between a radical muslim and a so called moderate muslim?"

A radical muslim wants to kill, maim and enslave those who do not adhere to what (s)he considers to be the laws of Allah.

On the other hand a moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to kill, maim and enslave those who do not adhere to what (s)he considers to be the laws of Allah.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/belgian-vice-pm-admits-muslims-celebrated-in-the-streets-following-the-brussels-jihad-massacre-media-ignored-them

Plus many more.....

Deradicalisation is a joke; an expensive joke for Australian taxpayers who did not ask for this rubbish to be brought here.

Yes, I agree with Banjo & Mhaze there will be no such thing as an
deradicalised moslem.
I believe that there are moslems who wish all this trouble would go away.
However to protect ourselves it means trying to sort out those that
will never be radicalised from those that might and from those that will never.
Those that "might" become radicalised will hide that without effort.

So why the hell should we have to bother ?
The safest thing to do is apply aircraft safety rules.
If in doubt DON'T !

In other words for the safety of life do not admit moslems.
Simple isn't it !

" .... Anne Aly says many of the prisoners claim they are in there because of their religion not for terrorism activities."

Well, yeah, they would say that, wouldn't they ? What's her point, other than to re-name her program "Teaching Tekkia" ?

Of course, genuine deradicalisation (if that's not an oxymoron) can't really go ahead without a questioning of what those criminals see as the instructions in the Koran. Perhaps that's the first step as with any religious dogma; then the rest might follow. Good luck with that: if she's genuine, I wish her well.

Joe

if this deradicalisation progam works for mulsims (which I very much doubt) could we please implement it for the man made gw religion. We could save billions!

I again blame western school education. Sending aged 5 years children who are unprepared for classroom schooling. According to ABC television series “Education Schooling” spoken words has “many children aged 7 years, are diagnosed with clinical depression”.

Aged 5 years children's first day at school, children are assessed whether children can at the first day's assessment: read; write; do some maths. If parents are: professional clerical workers; school teachers; etc. children may enter an A grade class, I assume having an easier early school life. If children are from a working class background: hyperactive; can't do any school related work. Children find themselves in classes where teachers use bullying tactics towards children to force unprepared children for school to pay attention to what teachers are saying. Children held in classrooms for many hours become: bored; angry; mentally depressed; self-medicating endorphins smartness tactics; ADHD; ADD; ODD. Forced classroom schooling should be considered as child abuse.

Many to most Muslim parents, tuned to middle-eastern Islamic cultures, most children suddenly mixed in with western, East Asian cultures. Muslim children who cannot: read non-Islamic reading material; write non-Islamic script; do maths. Muslim parents peaching to children about corrupting western cultures pointing to western cultures crime and murders in media news reports; seeing western sexual entertainment. Muslim parents have little else to talk about to their children other than Islamic culture and criticising western immorality.

Where western education forced labours, drives teenagers into: mental depression; medicating mental depression, using alcohol; rebellious fun entertainments; many western cultured teenagers committing suicide.

Teenagers having left school, obtaining money, buying illegal drugs, which I say illegal drugs are to medicate school education's: mental depression; self-medication fun delusions; alcohol addiction. Only the least mentally stress aged 5 years children having easily undertaken school work, having better reasoning skills, suffering less mental stress, more focused memories children, guided them through schooling with less needs for self-medication.

Muslim teenagers who are not falling into alcoholic addiction, favouring following Islamic traditions, distractions and feeling they understand the Koran based believed delusions “God is Great” phrases, finding being extreme, taking up a suicidal cause.

Young adults, including many readers of this website, having gone through schooling are not going want to believe schooling cause them to: use thought prompting avoidance tactics, keep themselves dumb; bipolar violent; mentally depressed; alcoholism; self-medicating delusional. All aged adults would rather feel smart medication for whatever turns young adults on.

Whatever turns western educated abused young adults into their behaviours. Muslim parented culture, having been living in western countries for more than 15 years, children starting school aged 5 years at a western school. A percentage of Muslim youth will find meaning in erratic distracting angry behaviour. Add the many nightly media reports of ISIS. A percentage of youth who find hyperactive excitement in a suicidal cause, I say is caused by western establishment imposed curriculum school education.

After 12 to 13 years of brains being stuck in repressive brain classrooms. For the same reasons a percentage of people take notice of politics, media's repeated rolled of limited number of topics that in most instances fades away, returning months later.
For the same reasons a percentage of people take politics seriously, feeling they understand something important. The same reasons people attend church, believing church clerics are actually speaking on behalf of a magical god, quoting sacred texts.
The Star Trek movie, where Spock is inside a volcano on a distant planet. The yellow coloured natives are seen bowing down to a man standing upright holding an opened scroll covered in symbols.

School education keeps human reactions in a primitive highly emotional state, the same state the yellow coloured natives feel reasons to bow down to a sacred scroll covered in sacred “only qualified priests can read” symbols. I could assume the Star Trek scene was understood by more people than myself.

The Star Trek prime directive, not to interfere with other world primitive inhabitancy I could assume was directed at people like myself, not to persistently expose an existence of controlling everything dictatorship establishment. Which was also made clear to me during 1999, Radio National Life Matter guest spoken threats.

Hired media commentators are not going to accuse school education for all society's poor social skills: alcoholism; drug addiction; mental depression; suicides; bipolar behaviours; truck driver intelligent work skills; poor professional skills, exampling surgeons making repeated mistakes; etc.

All the world's problems becomes religions fuelled priest's spoken reasons why many traumatised by school education people feel they must believe in a sin forgiving god, plus all the feel good promises religion provides.
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On another similar note, on rolled over simple to understand: The lingering bitterness from Burnie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, is little more than keeping the political conflict commentators commenting going.

Star Trek character Spock, constant mentioning of not being influenced by emotion. Spock making decisions based on multiple calculated proven to be true information which can be expressed as logic. Hearing words like “the known theoretical strategy appears logical”. To Star Trek watchers who understand how other people who make decisions based on how they feel… people whom can't make decisions unless they feel something. Cluelessness prompts the clueless to feel the trauma of not having a school taught and or media stated remembered opinion, instantly prompts the feeling of needing to avoid whatever causes trauma, that being unaccustomed torturous thought. Constantly concluding what allows people to feel good about understanding something, does not mean what has been understood is true. To truly understand something difficult, all emotional desires need to be ignored, focusing attention on queried information. Unfortunately few information providers move outside the confinements of education curriculum and media topics. The only other behaviour leading to better thought out reasoning is to doubt everything stated to be true.

Human emotional reactions, being compared to Vulcan obsession with repressing emotions, teaching logical analysing as methods of Vulcan identity. I suggest human emotion would have faded away into the background of human decision making emotional consciousness awareness if no school education classroom child abuse existed.
Even though home schooling exists, limited real thought state education department curriculum studying is maintained learning for home schooling, starting at the ages of 5 to 6 years.
There is little point in learning something if what's being learnt will never be used in real life. Each child brain learns one of most difficult subconscious memory learning, that being language, all by the brain's own incentive behaviours. School education merely repressed that same learning ability back into Neanderthal limited behaviours. Neanderthal theory could allow speech, only the language topic diversity would have been limited. The media limits the variety of topics, the direction of thought in which the depth spoken about topics take and the time spent on provided topics, limiting understanding to the lowest logical meanings. Concerning topics use politics "can't fix because of budget restraints". Media never directs blame onto school education for any of society's poor behavioural social problems.

A society of: angry; limit thinking; believing what they are told... citizens are more likely to fight each other if prompted by a delusional cause.

"101", that says it all!

Me thinks little Stevie has been at the green stuff again.

Watching media's response to the Northern Territory Don Dale youth detention centre scandal. What could be seen is a multiple number of political people expressing their; disgust in what they saw on 4 Corners; regrets to what's happening; stating desires for an inquiry into whose responsible; few people in the media mention how to improve and or how to change the system and or state what a long ago problem might exist. Change is difficult... to create something different than out of the box, established bureaucratic documented systems. Who takes responsibility if something was changed, then that changed something goes wrong and or doesn't work?

If asking a trivial pursuit story telling based education, A to F answered question to that same programmed skilled type of educated person. Ask a person in an authority of the education system, a question “why must aged 5 years children attend school when children are obviously not ready to attend school at such a young age”. An answer I received from a retired school principle was, “the parents (mothers) wants to go back to work”. The single answer to a single question seems to satisfy the retired school principle's requirement to answer a question.

Kindergarten, first grade or year one teachers may have forgotten their own childhood education, most probably due to repressed memories mental stress, only wanting to remember the pleasurable moments.
Year one teachers told to perform, year one teachers fearful of teacher inspectors and or principles questioning classroom children on how well children can spell words and add numbers. Year one teachers trying their best to focus aged 5 to 7 years children's attention on singular word letters and number symbols. Teachers constantly stopping children's learning flow, interrupting the flow of information to correct an individual child's hyperactive behaviour, a hyperactive child reducing their own not interested boredom. I suggest watching a below video steam if not watched before, “the last man standing, educating boyd” listening for several dramatised statements, boyd saying his teacher is boring; Tim Allen statements that “school is teaching children to hate learning”.
http://www.watchtvserieslive.org/last-man-standing-us-season-5-episode-4-educating-boyd/

I scanned my channels in on my DVR, finding a channel devoted to Australian aboriginals. I occasionally switched to the NITV channel, seeing aboriginals doing what aboriginals do: climbing trees; walking in the desert; walking in the bush; add, limit impulse restraint needed control football to the list. I found the station very uninformative, soon deleted the channel. I would assume the channel was dummying down aboriginal people using their own boring life, replacing boredom with quick emotional decision making football enthusiasm.
Aboriginal youth bored by their own lives, stealing cars, because cars are their to be stolen. Not knowing whether aboriginal youth are school educated or not, I continue to place my opinions on bad education.

I also accuse everyday for every person media program productions of dummying down citizens using: crime; competitive trivial knowledge game shows; soft sex; terrorism; advanced science fiction; fairy tale stories. Rolling over the same themes using different images and or the same news images.

Politicians who say they need to respect the many religions and cultures. Are promoting the things that repress individual thought using religion's prescribed beliefs and cultural behaviours.

The retire school principle mentioned above, stated aboriginal parents don't want their children to be smarter than themselves. Whether the statement was invented; hear-say; or read from an educational department book... I don't know. I know a European background women, who, 30 years ago, she had 3 children, she remarked she “didn't want her children to be any smarter than herself”.

Religious, cultural and employment class background of children starting school aged 5 years, are not considered other than whether children can read on the first day of entering school.
The idea of asking parents or asking parents to get some person to show their children how to read before the first day of children attending school, may not be a priority, one reason being that teachers want continued teacher teaching employment, that teachers want to secure employment as teachers by teaching children who can't read, spell and or do maths.

I say, It is easy to teach children who can: think; who have no mental stress; who having no mental stress, can easily remember what's being read and what's being said by teachers. To do so, children need to be older than aged 5 years, free of emotional self-programming. Mentally stressed children who have mental stress repression behaviours, constantly repressing memories because what information is being read and said by teachers are being influenced by children's own constant mental stress awareness. Memorising information while being influenced by mental stress, both information and mental stress are being remembered as a complete memory, are by human brains own emotional self-programming, are constantly trying to repress memorising all repressing types of information.

The myth of learning while mentally stressed is good for children is incorrect. Learning something should not be influenced by: mental stress; fears; endorphins chemical rewarding. After information has been understood and remembered, only then, when humans are under mental stress to come up with solutions, understood memorised solutions comes to conscious awareness, together with comparing prompted solutions with thought out benefits, mental stress awareness levels will fall having problems solved.

Teachers being told by education departments, that mental stress is good for children, is sabotaging the learning process. The benefit of education to teachers are that teachers bad learning practices holds children and teenagers in school for many years longer than needed, securing employment for many more teachers than necessary.

On the second episode of Googled ABC1 television Revolution Schools which I remember as Revolution Education. A teacher talking about year 8 students, one question asked in an examination, “how many centre-metres in 27 metres”. The teacher said “all students incorrectly answered the question... 12 months earlier, all the students would have got the answer correct”. My opinion, supported by the example, was students are so mentally stressed and so easily distracted, students are easily forgetting what they eventually learnt.

Any politician that states government run curriculum education is the solution to Northern Territory juveniles hold in detention centres, are either very evil, saying what listeners expect politicians to say or merely stupid, having been educated not to think correctly... following the set out myths believed by that “I assumed” 95% of society.

Keeping 95% of citizens dumb, by keeping children and teenagers in repressing learning “juvenile detention centre” schools, providing increasing numbers of school “juvenile detention centre guards” teachers employment, keeping wage income unemployment government statistic figures low, only having to hire one teacher for every 30 students in a classroom.
Never heard from by the media: establishment, who I say are controlling my estimated, 90% of Australian wage paying employment. An establishment not having to invent wage paying employment for young adults held in schools to satisfy the delusion of democratic government legalised free market forces capitalism.

I speculate, establishment does not want to provide paid employment to Northern Australian aboriginals, where aboriginals live, where there are no need for increased payment wages employment. By using standard Naplan testing requirements as any government educational bureaucratic would recommend. There are no special considerations to aboriginals leading to qualified degrees that provide justification for wage paying employment opportunities in aboriginal communities. Using same tactics for Muslims; Asians and any other cultural disability by culture, immigrants.

The problem to the working class, that always exists, that education keeps the select few who are aware if children are not shown how to: think correctly; talk correctly; read proficiently, comprehending readings; do basic maths... before first attending school. School's juvenile detention will result in much similar behaviours as aboriginals seen in the Northern Territory juvenile detention centres, rebelling against and or holding back rebelling against authority abuses.
The people who know what education does, who are in the establishment “know”, get the best high paying employment, for the little work they do, keeping that 95% of remaining citizens ignorant of what is really happening to them.

ABC allegations on Cardinal Pell strange stranding full frontal naked in front of 3 boys in the 1970s.
All religious church leaders would be well aware of keeping humans dumb by constantly distracting individual human thought, by placing unrelated to humans' own self-individual benefits. Individuals own health and wealth in removing themselves from harmful environments: wars; coal mines; exhausting work; building houses with asbestos building materials during the 1950s, 60s and 1970s; to think that maybe why? them and their children are undergoing pointless school work and religious studies for no real benefit other than stopping children from thinking for themselves.
Christian religion didn't fade away until most homes contained a television, as to say television programming distractions replaced devoted to the afterlife religion: ceremonies; songs; pulpit preaching; story telling.

School education takes aged 5 years children forcing children to focus their attention on reading: fairy tales; famous names first to discover history; spelling words; maths... All of which are rotated every hour. Children's memories are devoted to simple no need to think for themselves pretend shallow conceptual thought, subconscious memories becoming increasingly traumatised by the long hours of pretend learning.

Children coming home after school, mentally exhausted, relaxing in front of the television. Television serious news being one of several stupid programs, work exhausted needing to relax people can watch. Rotating short running time period news stories, teachers ask children questions each following day, adding to the irrelevant historical knowledge children hear that does not aid children's own individual conceptual thought comparisons. Many aged 7 years children Revolution School says are being diagnosed with clinical depression, all children incapable of thinking for themselves other than processing rolled over school work: spelling; handwriting; maths. Society ends up with a work force of zombies who prompt thought towards whatever the media are going on about, populations adding their own comments into the mixture of negative criticism and political simplest of excuses.

There maybe a reason British television trivial pursuit competitors are called egg heads. Being that heads are full of goo.

July 27, TEN Eyewitness News at Five, reports how 4 years ago 2012-2013 NSW Health Care Complaints Commission received 4,554; 2015-2016 received 6,195 complaints. Below is the best searched website found within 10 minutes.
http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Annual-Reports

My argument is that university educated professionals, exampling doctors and nurses focused on by the many complaints, are hurried through an irrelevant trivial pursuit single answer true or false education, traumatising students thinking processes as though society intelligence were only needed to build cathedrals under the instructions of a very few specialised cathedral designer builders. What religion did, using religious stories QandA, media and education curriculum does to dumb down present day human intelligence.

Medical profession, being the most life threatening to life, obvious need to complain about human inability to make decisions. There exists many university educated professionals and bureaucrats that write out reports on what happens in government and corporate systems. The next level of bureaucrats either don't bother to read reports or scan through reports looking for one single assumed answer to a question. I assume, no bureaucrat wants to be the barer of bad news, and or reports have few down side opinions.

Exampling the N.T. Don Dale youth detention centre, had been known for many years, that prisoner human rights were being violated, yet every person in authority ignored the human rights violation problem, quoting the one single answer to a school teacher question, that being “every person in the Northern Territory are fed up with young teenagers stealing motor vehicles”. The only shallow minded way to solve the problem was to place offenders in detention centres.

Takes about 3 days after the Four Corners Don Dale report before I hear a journalist mention aboriginal parents and the harsh environment in N.T. were to blame.

Poor language skilled parents and harsh environment conditions, doesn't allow aboriginal children to understand western fast speaking English media distractions. Nor does locking up teenagers with no English speaking television as punishment, allowing teenagers to become more angry and revengeful against authority that put them in detention centres in the first place.

Employment for the many prison guards that could be seen holding 5 teenagers in a youth centre, the held teenagers are the support system for prison guard employment.

Media's good verse evil, allows the an excepted concept of criminals locked up in jail “evil” verse the police and prison guard industry of “good” to be unchallenged.

I more than assume, having been mention in 1999. The establishment have planned all this inefficiency, 1999 Life Matter guest speaker stating 'everything gets done eventually'.
All the inefficiency consumes increased labour and extra time to fix inefficiencies.
The inefficiencies of politicians and bureaucratic systems, various departments and people's recognised cultures slows down things establishment doesn't want to do. Changing governments starts the process of people in need requesting governments for assistance, new government policy changes, start the process all over again.

Bad education traumatising human intelligence, human intelligence need to feel good to medicate traumas, is one of the establishment's greatest tools. People can't help not believing the media lies.

Yep, definitely too much greens in your diet.

Did anyone read those 101 posts?

I gave trying to decode them a long time ago.

July 28, TEN Eyewitness News First at Five, revisits health care system, not blaming Health Care Complaints Commission received many complaints not being addressed.
http://tenplay.com.au/news/sydney/2016/7/28/health-system-problems-uncovered

Excuses used for why hospitals “fixing some of the problems lie with budget considerations”, blaming budget restraints. Having inefficiencies costs more money in the long term, taken out of budgets, to fix patients extended problems having patients extended periods inside hospitals.

All problems leads back to the quality of education... that single answer requirement while working under hurrying mentally stressing environments, too much overwhelming work loads, emotional shallow ability to make decisions, altering complaint reports so no changing decisions are required, therefore no management reports need to be formulated, typed out and sent to the next level of government bureaucracy to justify changes.

Below website graphs describes the effort placed on writing out reports.

http://www.hccc.nsw.gov.au/Publications/Annual-Reports

State government creates a Health Care Complaints Commission. Over 4 years mentioned, complaints increase by more than 25%, rather than complaints reducing as complained problems are addressed.

The Lindt Cafe inquiry to my memory, by the nightly news has been going on for the last 2 months. Seems the inquiry is all about filling in 2 minutes of news propaganda during weekdays.

Interviewing Cardinal Pell over the Internet about Pell's recollections of several priest's child molesting many months ago came to nothing.

Royal Commissions of inquiry are opportunities of media propaganda. The benefits to the legal profession carrying out inquiries, at tax payers cost, possibly charged by the day lawyers, writing out reports that lead to nothing happening, must test the public's intelligence, people who believe inquiry commissions actually do anything beneficial.

I say, No person in charge wants to do anything other than find reasons to have more inquiry commissions, giving the legal bureaucracy system something to do, justifying bureaucracies, many highly paid legal professionals coming from private schools, people in the know buddy system.

When money is allocated, budgeted to a problem, exampling aboriginal housing. Often can be heard that the bureaucratic system consumed much of the money allocated.

Creating bureaucratic inefficiencies consumes more budgeted money.

back on thread and to put it all in a bit of reality;

In the Burgundian town of Vézelay, on 31 March, 1146, St Bernard of
Clairvaux delivered his famous oration on responding to the Muslim threat:

‘Will you allow the infidels to contemplate in peace the ravages
they have committed on Christian people? […] Fly then to arms;
let a holy rage animate you in the fight, and let the Christian world
resound with these words of the prophet: “Cursed be he who does not
stain his sword with blood!”’

Note: infidel used by Christians refers to moslems.
The oration refers to the Arab invasion of the Levant.

Nothing changes.

I have been reading about the battle of Tours in Northern France.
I had not realised Tours was so far North.
Because of the occupation by such large parts of France by moslems I
can see why the moslems have such an interest in France.
Their scriptures tell them that land once occupied by moslems always
remains moslem land even if they are ejected from that land.

So it explains a lot, the Islamists believe they own France and that
the French should leave or convert to Islam.

To begin: Dictionary word “parable”, a bible story or a cartoon having a moral and or meaningful idea. Stories don't need to be true.

Charlton Heston movie Moses, my easy parable interpretation is that Moses was tricking Egyptian Jews into walking into the desert by Moses stating god's promises of a better life. All the Moses magic involved, derived from god, are tricking child intelligent gullible bible readers into believing in what's said to have happened, actually happened.
Moses going up into the mountain to meet god, Moses on the mountain spending many days waiting for god to appear. So much time had passed, hungry thirsty Jews waiting for Moses to return, Moses having said “when I return god will provide food and water”. The Moses movie shows how hungry thirsty Jews long wait drove Jews into creating the golden calf. Moses returns, accusing Jews of abandoning god, after informing Jews of the 10 commandments, one commandment being “you shall not worship other gods”. Moses divided Jewish people into two separate religions, forcing Jews to choose their god, I assume: Baal the bull or Yahweh the goat. Nomad desert dwellers survived on goats. Animal gods were prayed to in ancient times, thanking animal gods for eating goats. Why pray to a single god in multiple god societies who look human. Moses somehow forced the two different god believers to fight each other to the death, Yahweh forces winning. Then Moses tells the remaining Jewish people 'they must walk through the desert for 40 years'.

Having read all the above in this post, the bible being the most world wide printed book. Western society said to be predominately Christian bible readers. I state the bible warns readers, everything is a trick... priests, many priests disguised as politicians amuse themselves by constantly tricking badly educated traumatised working class.

I recommend concerned curios people should watch two documentaries: “War On Drugs: House I Live In”, and: “Prophet's Prey”. Both documentaries express worthwhile deeper than everyday media understanding memorable ideas.

Last seen on SBS1 January 31, 2016. Prophet's Prey, expressed how children being brought up in a break away from Mormon polygamist religious society, are so devoted to the brand of polygamist religious culture. At the end of the rather long documentary, seemly experts on the polygamist cult, stated the people living in the cult where mothers talking to their children beginning when children were babies, parents are constantly talking about god and the cult prophet leader.
The seemly sane experts talking about this religious cult, stated they could not easily persuade people of the cult to abandon their beliefs.
The Simpsons expressed an episode on how religious cults worked their persuasive powers.

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/467865667910/prophets-prey

Last seen on SBS1 on Sunday night July 27, 2016. one day before Four Corners NT Don Dale youth centre predominately aboriginal child abuse. War On Drugs, expresses how U.S. politicians are using U.S. federal and state government laws to use police enforcement to make war against race.
U.S. politicians use the majority coloured white skin voters to make announcements before elections “war no drugs”, to increase numbers of majority coloured white skin voters votes.
As the War On Drugs documentary shows and describes, increasing employment in: police; corporations building prisons; prison guards; judges; legal courtroom buildings and prisons services employment that goes along with arresting and holding prisoners in prison.

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/727583811849/War-on-Drugs-The-House-I-Live-In#!

Australian immigration: introducing different races and religions into Australia, Australian politicians taking the blame for world establishment's seeing bible parable stories as a means of describing managing working class populations.

Whooooa! he's back on the Greens again.

The Prophet's Prey, I suggest, shows how living in a television/radio media news and fast moving often violent action scene movie culture, electronic media devices inside our own homes.
Politicians constantly being mentioned, politicians acting as though politicians care about voting citizens. Politicians taking responsibility for both the few good results and many bad constant introduced anecdotal scandals in democracy government affairs transparencies, allowing democracy to be believes as real.

I assume, Australian politicians don't want to acknowledge aboriginal youth are being bored by many media rolled-over irrelevance to their own real skilled working lives thinking. That much loved sports: football; racing cars. Media violent criminal movies; fantasy good verse evil. All that rolled over confusion, infects emotional associated memories of bored youth.

Bored youth looking for pleasures, suddenly come across situations, where hurried emotionally fuelled impulsive thought, seeing opportunities to increase pleasures by stealing a motor vehicle.
Mr T's “World's Most Craziest Fools”. Impulsive decision making.

The problems with average human behaviours and particularly aboriginal crime is a psychological problem. Committed crimes, fuelled by feel good media, made worse by an education system which traumatises children's thinking memories into maintaining self-medicating endorphins stimulation, to aid human brains into overcoming long hours of boring, mentally stressful classroom schooling.

Like Moses was setting up two million ancient Egyptian Jews to lose their lives fighting each other and walking Jews through the desert until a generation expired. I strongly suggest, Old bible parable stories influence world establishment leaders to do much the same to world citizens.

I assume very few readers of this reading are going to want to spend time watching my suggested web stream documentaries. Most people not wanting to learn anything new, not wanting to know anything different than what’s already believed. That bad education having had done its job by killing students curiosity for real knowledge.

"Bored youth looking for pleasures, suddenly come across ...." OLO!!

Perhaps one ought to change that to "boring".

Muslim radicalisation has everything to do with: suicide; bad bullying school, depressing education that goes on for too may years; few good employment opportunities for low graded students; being trapped in cities; poor media entertainments; angry mental depression.

My following argument is about why true democracies don't work, that most everything believed is about controlling populations' most everything:

March 9, 2016. “The Weekly With Charlie Pickering”, short criticism on preselecting party candidates: faction leaders controlling party candidate selection process. The quality of candidates intelligence depends on whether chosen candidates have no incentives to challenge faction leaders, establishment leadership policies.

On the extreme other side of histories leaders, SBS1 television documentary on July 30, 2016. “Meet Caligula” describes Julius Caesar's family blood line. Caligula was assassinated on January 24, AD 41, having been a Roman emperor for less than four years.
http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/218605123780/Meet-Caligula

Mary Beard tells the story of a Roman nobility family where emperors murder family members in fear of themselves being murdered, in some plot. Plotters to take over he empire so plotters themselves as potential assassins, won't be murdered by an existing emperor. All plotters need the backing of a Roman military general or generals, general(s) need to believe lower ranking officers down to foot soldiers will follow general(s).
Once an emperor dies family members commence plots and conspiracies to murder competing family members that may conspire to become Rome's emperor.

The Mary Beard ancient Roman emperor story may indicate the lack of religious influence over competing political influences. Rome having a number of religious leaders crowning a “chosen one” by birth, a powerful single god religious leaders crowning ceremonies. In other words unless a royal family relative quickly steps up to perform traditional crowning king or emperor ceremonies, the leadership post is open for the taking, by any means.
By having multiple gods, religious ceremonial crowning by religious leaders could be disputed on the grounds of, crowning on behalf of which god.

In past centuries, leaders could be very wary of people wanting to overthrow the ruling class system. England's war of the Roses, Black Adder series.

Within all this wanting to be leaders easy money rewarding life, religious persuasions over the working class, religion supporting a chosen leader, that leader being the defender of the religion. Both washing each others hands.

Islamic religion's clergy has a high degree, up to the full attention of many Muslims. Persuading whole populations to believe in a prophet's beliefs, the self-qualified praising a single god clergy interpreters of the Koran, hold a high degree of influence over Islamic religion believers. By making many human behaviours subject to a religious teaching, everything in religious believers lives becomes the concern of clerics. Clerics get god given rights to delve into people's lives.

Today's aboriginal leaders whom may have been appointed by state and or federal governments; may have been elected by an aboriginal committee or by some community annual elections.
My assumed arguments being theoretical: Established aboriginal leaders don't want to have rival intelligent thinking aboriginal groups within the aboriginal community, complaining about how government grant money is spent. Established aboriginal leaders don't want intelligent aboriginal people organising rival committees to investigate better options for the community. Succeeding in campaigning for aboriginal leadership. As soon as that intelligent aboriginal group takes over the leadership, the group then turns their attention towards not allowing other groups a chance to think up new reasons to challenge the new existing committee group. The problem being the aboriginal people don't have a strong religious leadership and ceremonial crowning blood line royalty chosen leaders as king. The leadership role is not limited to an established blood line royalty class.

If or When Australian government suggests to aboriginal leaders that the education system is going change in order to reduce the mental stress on children and teenagers and run programs to increase aboriginal communities ability to think. Aboriginal leaders are going to object on argumentative reasons.
Aboriginal leaders see local crime reduced, having fewer criminal concerning distractions consuming aboriginal communities thoughts, allows aboriginal people more time to think of many other ideas, creating opportunities of intelligent thought. Intelligent thought eventually leading to intelligent groups expelling old leaders.

Many people may believe watching: QandA; The Drum; The Project; Lateline; Sunday morning Insiders... All programs to be informative. The depth of information and usable ideas coming out of these programs I say are very inconclusive. There may be about 20 people who regularly appear on the listed programs. These people are clever in that they never have good ideas on important subjects brought up for discussion. Yet on the unimportant topics, conversations maybe relevant.
Politicians appearing on QandA: talking in broad terms; talk about the process of government; often talk about themselves; often talk about the leaders, what leaders can't do. QandA audience guests asking by reading known questions by QandA panellists, questions may sound worthy to be asked. After listening to panellist's answers, I don't believe intelligent thinkers could be bothered to think by discussions. Answers seem to be avoiding real solutions, answers being little more than justifying doing nothing and or “lets have a royal commission”, which will take two years to complete. Any recommendations, if any, will be ignored do to budget restraints.

I conclude that media introduced panellists and guest speakers are intentionally wearing down listeners attention spans. Journalists asking questions on Lateline/7.30 type programs, a third person or organisation becomes the focus of what that third party entity: could or should be doing and or why that third party entity can't do anything. That entity never to be heard of again.

Aboriginal youth crime statistics I could assume will increase if there were such a published statistic.

NSW Health Care Complaints Commission statistics increasing over the past four years, to my knowledge, was only broadcast by TEN eyewitness news First at Five, once, the next day referring to the same story, the commission was barely mentioned, blaming hospital administration budget restraints. The story to rarely ever to be heard again.

The media focus attention on discussions that go nowhere, that can't easily be solved. Media are ignoring discussions that could actually force government to change, to fix stuff.

Health Care insurance costs are going up, faster than inflation statistics. The relationship between hospitals complaints; patients being incorrectly diagnosed; increasing bacterial infections within hospitals; same mistakes done in operating surgery theatres... media audiences hear once if they're lucky. Busy yet interested listeners being too busy to complain, hear so many other important media news, distracting busy people from rethinking important local issues: hospitals; mental illnesses; suicides; schooling... should be fixed. Busy people turning media on to listen to the latest news are bombarded with terrorism and what politicians are saying about themselves and the process. Exampling: announcing building $50b submarines which steel won't made for another ten years; Rudd wanting to be nominated for U.N. Secretary General.

The distraction is the constantly repeated as important information, exampling terrorism, daily updates on the Lindt Cafe siege inquest, which I say is blocking out many media news topics which are also important, which can be fixed.

Like the “War On Drugs” all that establishment media really want to talk about is people related to crime and elections. Like aboriginal leaders concerned about aboriginal people becoming intelligent enough to challenge aboriginal leaders... Busy, work exhausted media listening viewers are witnessing media rolling over crime, terrorism and political babble, preventing Australians from realising government's bad priorities.
Media are distracting probable intelligent people from challenging government to fix important: Health Care inside hospitals; aboriginal youth detention centres; schools putting out traumatised teenagers, too traumatised to think how to adapt to perform skilled work, immigrant labour needing to be brought into Australia to build houses; crime industry, hiring and training increasing numbers of police, who could have been trained to build houses instead; health care industry, hiring and training increasing numbers of medical professionals to fix other medical professionals mistakes.

After a long period of said to be unaffordable high priced house buying. Regular recessions following boom periods, increasing public debt during periods of low motor vehicle fuel prices. Many citizens employment opportunities in one large city CBD high rise sector, in each Australian state. Low wage inflation CPI: increasing travel expenses, road toll fees; public transport; health care insurance increasing costs above inflation rates... takes the spare earnings left over after loan servicing, away from wage earners. It is like the government system wants health care inflation excuses to consume wage earners spare savings spending power, placing Australia into a private business sector recession.

Returning back to the top of the reading. Pickering's comments of the quality of the few people in control of selecting party candidates who stand for elections in the name of the two main parties monopoly, good chance of being elected, maybe influenced by a limited number of people who want to stay in control of the many misdirections, only inviting party candidates that have no innovative incentive to challenge poorly run systems. Like War On Drugs analogy, using crime and inefficiencies to increase employment... Malcolm Turnbull countering my same arguments by promoting anecdotal misdirections' innovation Jobs and Growth policy campaigning.

Faction leaders hearing that one elected politician has an independent idea from established party policies, can be threatened not follow their ideas, otherwise, rebellious politician will not be allowed to stand for the party in the next election, ending their political career. No other politician will support independent ideas for the same ending career reasons.

Government and corporate report writing bureaucrats typing “as it happens” reports, I suggest, bureaucrats are not allowed to make any fixing problem innovative suggestions. A person witnessing problems, using limited language to type out reports, may well be most suited to suggest solutions. Middle and upper management “Caligula(s)” in fear of being out innovated and or causing increased unaccustomed thought increased report typing to the next upper management level, asking for increased budgeted moneys to solve problems. See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil management bureaucrats don't want change. Any person having watched Yes Minister listening to Sir Humphrey, should assume that everything about a bureaucratic system is about the bureaucrats self-serving benefit, me first, which suits the establishment by keeping all levels of management bureaucrats non-innovated, dumb.
Any lower and or middle management bureaucrats showing innovation will be repressed. 5% of the population keeping 95% of the population dumb.

That, keep every citizen dumb establishment using duck and over fear politics, referred to as “politics of fear”. I would like to bring your attention to Bob Santamaria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._A._Santamaria

To my memory recollection media supplied information, Bob Santamaria was given the task by the Catholic Church to seek out and expose communist threats in Australia. Many years ago I mentioned Bob Santamaria to my mother, my mother told me... myself believing she was talking about the 1950s, “you'd be listening to the radio, suddenly Bob Santamaria would come on and start talking about communists hiding in society ready and waiting for Joseph Stalin to give the word, Australian communists would pull out their hidden guns, and take over the country” my mother said she didn't believe a word of it. The idea was called “reds under the bed”.

My archived dated DVR March 2, 2016. Julia Zemiro's Home Delivery, Julia interviewing Denise Scott on her early school days. Julia asked Denise “were you a nervous child”. Denise Scott said, “I was an anxious child”. When Julia asked “what were you anxious about”, Denise said “communism”, after a few more Denise comments, Julia laughed and said, “I think that's the first time we've had that answer” more comments, which Denise was also amazed that no other person was anxious about communism. Denise said, “yeah...like the communists were going to torture me... and my parents, you know, put chop sticks in my ears”, Julia said, “when did you let go of that concept, that you knew that was never going to happen”?. Denise said, “Ho, I am still worried”.
Yes, Julia and Denise are comedian entertainers. Was the interview scripted or spontaneous?

I strongly suggest, in this millennium era, establishment media are using home grown terrorism. Advertisements asking Australians to look out for signs of people communicating with ISIS websites, rolled up money seen in open baggage, etc.

Australian young aged suicides are said to be twice that of motor vehicle accident roads deaths. Yet media news regularly reminds viewers of several (as in maybe two) home grown terrorists waving ISIS flags and or yelling “Allah is great”.

Occasionally I hear people suggest that Muslims who are so fed up with the struggles of life to the point of considering suicidal, a number of Muslims that choose to commit suicide, do something that makes them famous.

Another suggestion is as people do criminal acts committing suicide having police shooting them. Shortly after ISIS has taken responsibility for the terrorist act. Rarely heard that proving whether ISIS actually was even partly responsible or not, being the way the Internet is.

The answer to whether if or how Muslims are being radicalised, look at the many media entertainments and nightly news ISIS updates. News media repeatedly showing old news stories, reminding young children, turning news into simple conversations, introducing fear into children's prompted memories.

Mushrooms, It was the mushroom. The mushrooms did it.

The only intelligent way to deradicalise Muslims is with the US air force.

That way, if you don't succeed in your primary objective, you will at least still have fewer radical Muslims to deal with when you've finished. Well that appears to be the theory.

I can think of a few Sydney suburbs we could well do without.

Unfortunately the only way we will ever find out which Muslims are radicals, and which are so called 'moderates' is if they ever find themselves having to choose sides. Lets hope this never happens but my guess is we will come a distant second.

It would be nice if we could rid ourselves of our reactive attitudes, but I fear we will never become pro active on this issue.

'Unfortunately the only way we will ever find out which Muslims are radicals, and which are so called 'moderates' is if they ever find themselves having to choose sides.'

I wonder of this guy is a moderate Rechtub
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article93659502.html

Rechub: but I fear we will never become pro active on this issue.

I think Runners idea is proactive & it sounds good to me.

All believers in the Koran are radicals, by definition Muslims believe in the Koran, therefore....

Hi Is Mise,

The eminent South Australian philosopher Frank Pledge has differentiated Christianity and Islam like this:

Consider Christianity.

In Christianity, the relationship between God and “Man” is same as the relationship between a father and his son. The love of a father for his son is limitless and unconditional. However, because of that love, the father allows his son complete freedom to choose his own way in life. He may guide and he may advise, but he does not interfere. The son has free will to choose his own destiny. However, if things go wrong, the son can acknowledge guilt, show remorse, and demonstrate contrition.

In Christianity …

“the prime sacrament of Contrition presupposes the strong and free will that can overcome itself” Spengler

With free will we have the ability to makes choices and therefore can be held accountable for wrong or bad choice. The Christian was born with sin and must accept punishment for his sins. However, under Christianity by showing guilt, remorse, contrition, the son can seek forgiveness and the father will unreservedly and unconditionally forgive. It will be as if the indiscretion never happened. This is the Grace of God, the unconditional forgiveness.

The world is rational and available for rational exploration of cause and effect. With this world view, that the world is rational and that man has free will within it, means man is in charge of his own destiny and can succeed by his own labour.

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Now consider Islam.

Under Islam, the relationship between Allah and “Man” is the same as the relationship between a father and his son in the Middle East. The love of the father is limitless, but conditional on the unconditional obedience of the son. Islam means “submission” - the son must submit unconditionally to the will of the father. In Islam only the Father, Allah, has free will. Only the father has free agency. Under Islam, everything which happens, only happens “In sha Allah”, by the will of Allah. No one else has agency.

“it is the impossibility of an Ego as a free power in the face of the divine that constitutes Islam. The individual is not seen as having free will since free will takes power away from the God. [ God has no partners says the Qur‘an ] Every happening happens or doesn‘t happen as the Will of God. The world is dominated by the unknowable whim of the God. The world is a battle ground between the opposing forces of darkness and light and the individual is a mere cipher - there is no place for logic and rational thinking since these battles are outside the experience of man. The ‘Majian’ (Muslim) has a ― ‘Will-less resignation’.” Spengler

Since every action is caused by Allah, and no one else has free agency, under Islam there can be no individual guilt, there is no need for remorse, there is no contrition, since no person is ultimately responsible. The Grace of Allah is not bestowed or withheld on the basis of deeds done or not done, since all deeds are done by the will of Allah. Grace comes through unquestioning faith in God. A person submits in the hope of salvation, but salvation is the gift of Allah alone, .....

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.... man cannot succeed by his own labour, unless it is the will of Allah. It is even only by the will of Allah that a person believes and, also, it is only by the will of Allah that someone doesn‘t believe. No one even has the free agency to believe or not believe. But even though Allah makes people not believe – He will still punish unbelief.

Since the world is not rational but subject to the changing will of Allah, man is not in charge of his own destiny."

So free will, guilt and remorse; vs. divine dictat, shame and dishonour. Opportunity for free expression, human development and democracy, vs. suspicion of anything new, and inevitable totalitarianism.

As an atheist, I certainly feel closer to Christianity, with all its faults. Which many Christians would agree are faults, by the way.

Joe

Thanks for that, Joe; well put.