One more thought,
You can be sure Erdogan isn't fond of the US relationship with the Kurds.

Hi Joe,

You seem to pick and choose what is yesterdays and what is relevant to today, when it suits. Somewhere you were going on about Marxism of 1870 and events of 1520. Maybe you were flogging a dead horse with that. As for Vietnam, many Australian's who suffered because of that war, and I don't include you and Shadow in that number received no recognition or compensation, which they were deserving of. Much of that had more to do with conservatives wanting to forget the shame of Vietnam and Australia's disastrous involvement.

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
Winston Churchill.

Hi Paul,

George Santayana.

Re Marx and the Paris Commune: I forget what thread that's on, or what the discussion was about, but it was probably something to do with the anachronism of applying Marx's core ideas from 1847 in 2016. Probably I wrote something about how the failure of the Paris Commune in 1871 may have given a hint to Marx and Engels that it wasn't going to be a straightforward matter to overthrow the capitalist state.

145 years later ? Marx would have learnt a hell of a lot in that time, as capitalism, technology, 'the working class', etc. evolved out of all recognition from 1871. As we approach his bicentenary in 2018, it makes sense for any followers to try to do the same.

Cheers,

Joe

Whether the coup was planned by Erdogan or not, the result is the same. It has given Erdogan an excuse to purge Turkish society of all opposition to his tyranny.

However, I don't believe that there is any evidence to show that he did.

http://www.news.com.au/world/reports-turkish-troops-have-sealed-off-incirlik-usnato-nuclear-air-base/news-story/4d7bb16e4e86842218b5b0d7d70f582b

Interesting... 7000 Turkish troops surround Incirlik