A bit extreme, Mikk: that so many people should be deported.

It would be far simpler for all legal systems in Australia to enforce Australian law, and for any other systems of law to be declared illegal - which, I suppose, they are implicitly or tacitly, legal systems being somewhat exclusive.

All Australians should come under Australian law in Australia, and nothing but Australian law. Even imams. Don't you agree ?

When you say "Mormon courts", what powers do they claim to have in Australia, over Australians ? To shat extent are they "courts" in a legal sense ?

Cheers,

Joe

Recently Sharia law slimed its way into Australia and those who defied it roundly condemned by a wide variety of vocal appeasers.

It started with a court hearing in Australia in which the Family Court ruled that a mother was to exercise custody of her two children.

The Moslem father, however, spirited the kids to Lebanon where a Moslem religious "court" (not a state court) held a Sharia-based hearing reversing the finding of the proper Australian court.

Channel Nine funded a rescue attempt which was botched. Y'all know the story and the sanctimonious hullabaloo not over the botching of the rescue but over the mounting of an attempt to bring the children - in defiance of Sharia - back into the jurisdiction of proper Australian law.

The appeaser uproar treated the attempt and Channel Nine's role as as if it was a defiance of real law. Allahu akbar!

Of course they should be deported. Muslim immigration should never have been permitted in the first place. The original imports might not have been a threat, but their offspring certainly are, and the blame lies fairly and squarely with Australian politicians. Immigration is an Islamic weapon of war against the West. Our uneducated politicians still deny this fact.

EmperorJulian, "The appeaser uproar treated the attempt and Channel Nine's role as as if it was a defiance of real law"

Tara Brown, 'What did we do wrong'....Boo Hoo..'We are only journalists'..Blubber..cameras still rolling, another Channel 9 exclusive.

They are all very lucky not to be serving custodial sentences.

Joe
They have whatever powers they want to have. Over their members.
Its not just the Mormons(or the moslems).
They all have their own little kangaroo courts to keep their adherents in line.

They all have their own rules whether it be no sex before marriage, no contraception, no divorce, no fags, no drugs or alcohol, blasphemy, breaking the 10 commandments, not going to church on Sunday( or Saturday or Friday or whatever day they say) etc etc.
Breaking these rules can get you called up before anything from the local priest to a full blown 12 man court situation. Here you will be judged and either let off or punished. Everything from not being able to partake in the sacrament, a few heil marys, being excluded from meetings, right up to excommunication.
But it only applies, indeed can only apply, to members of that faith/sect.
They can excommunicate me all they like, stop me coming to their meetings etc. I couldnt care less.

They say it is their club and they can decide the rules.
I understand the masons and lots of sporting/recreation clubs have similar things.

Looks a bit silly this whole deport the moslems rant now doesnt it.

I doubt that deportation is a genuinely workable option on any scale that would reduce the issues.

That said I'd agree that a belief in Sharia Law is incompatible with that broad group of concepts called Australian values.

I'm firmly of the view that Islam is a belief system including very strong political elements and not a race and would be about as happy to see those nongs calling opponents of Islam racists deported as I'd be to see Islamist's deported. To dump or dishonest to acknowledge the difference between a racial grouping and acceptance of an ideology.

My impression is that like Christians the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Australia manage to have a faith without taking the sillier bits to their logical conclusions. Unfortunately at this point in time the bell curve for Islam does seem to be a lot more dangerous than the curve for Christians.

I think it's very difficult to pick those who will radicalize, often they don't appear very zealous before going on a quest to kill groups of people (including other muslims).

I think it's well past time our pollies and media stopped the spin and lies about a religion of peace and started calling it for what it is. Do it in a framework that accepts that most muslims don't follow the extremes but stop pretending that they are not there. Honest coverage of the teachings of the faith etc.

We could consider whats being reportedly being introduced in Egypt where friday prayers sermon is required to be word for word from a set prepared text, not something I greatly like but perhaps a necessary consequence of the faith not being able to govern itself.

It's not a simple topic, some proposals create precedents that could easily be misused and any attempt to fix the issues run a high risk of hurting a lot of innocent people.

R0bert