Foxy: All are expected to subscribe to this legal framework that can protect the rights and liberties.

This?

“This document is to be used as a help or guide for Islamic members of the ADF and their Commanders;
• Question – What is the ruling on promoting Democracy?
• Answer – Democracy is a system which is contrary to Islam because legislative authority is given to a person or persons other than Allah:
• It is not permissible for a Moslem to vote unless they are using this as a means to overcome the system of Government;
• A Moslem who is living in a country which is not governed according to Islamic Sharia law, should do their utmost to strive to bring about Islamic law;
• In summary – This is to be official information to help Islamic members of the ADF and their commanders work together.”

Quran (5:49) - "So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee" Allah's Quran takes priority over the desires of the people. A democratic nation is by nature one that is not governed by Islamic law, meaning that a Muslim citizen would have divided loyalty. It's clear from this verse which side he must choose.
Quran (12:40) - "...Allah hath sent down no authority: the command is for none but Allah..." Sometimes translated as "None have the right to legislate except Allah."
Quran (4:123) - "Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper."
Quran (4:59) - "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you..."Obedience is strictly limited to a government drawn from believers, not from the broader community. This verse has also been used to justify submission to autocratic rule, however oppressive it may by. As an Arab tradition put is: "tyranny is better than anarchy."

the sisterhood hold no fear for Islam in Australia despite body parts of men, women and children being scattered throughout Europe over the last few years. They then make 2 weeks news over a commentator/celebrity making a joke about drowning one of their own in an ice bath. They are more fearful of a joke than they are reality. Sort of reminds me of the outrage at calling a women hysterical (even no she was) and yet giving free reign the the vulgar foul mouth Deveny by none other than our national broadcasters. Its all about sides girls, nothing about decency not reality.

runner,

Anything to say about the body parts strewn around Iraq in the wake of the US invasion?

You know the "invasion" that destabilised the whole region?

You know the "invasion" that was undertaken on "cooked-up" intelligence by the good Christian president Georgie Bush?

"George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq..."

"...'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

Poirot,

very selective which just confirms my point. Plenty of body parts before the 'invasion'of Iraq. In fact their is and has rarely been Islamic nations where body parts are not spread around. Nothing to do with Islam though Poirot. It does not fit your narrative.

Dearest Foxy,

I'm very sorry to hear of your accident, and wish you a speedy recovery. We need your moderating influence.

Yes, you're right. All Australians come under Australian law. No Australian, no Muslim Australian woman for example, should have their rights diminished in any way. The complications here are many, however: should Shari'a-sanctioned marriages be allowed, for example, with all the property discrimination against women that this entails ? On divorce, who has custody of children, once they are weaned ? Who controls property ? How do we square the rights of Australian Muslim women with the imposition of Shari'a on them in overseas jurisdictions ?

I have a couple of quarrels, with the halal killing of animals: it is brutal, slow and barbaric; if it's true that all of our meat currently has been killed this way, AND we are ALL paying for this 'service', why ? Why can't halal butchers, like Jewish kosher butchers, kill their own animals on their own premises without non-believers having to pay for it ?

Shari'a moves in the most devious ways: take land law, for instance. If land is bought by a devout Muslim, under Shari'a, he is buying for Allah, and that land can never ever go out of the hands of Allah. The ratchet effect is obvious.

Shari'a abhors gays: so a gay teacher could never work in a Muslim school. Of course, that raises the question of public funding for religious schools of all types: perhaps if Education Departments had full control of the appointment of teachers, and of curriculum, etc., that might scrape through. But it fraises the further question of whether any religious schools should be allowed to operate at all in Australia.

Islam is practised, to different levels, by 1.4 billion people of vastly different ethnic backgrounds. So race does not have anything to do with any critique of Shari'a.

We should be rock-solid on the principle, as you suggest Foxy, that ALL Australians come under the full force, the freedoms allowed and the restrictions imposed, by Australian law, and no others.

Best wishes,

Joe

runner,

"very selective which just confirms my point..."

Lol!....it's not as if the invasion of Iraq was anything much.

I do apologise for being "selective"...it's not as if the good Christian West has colonised and invaded this region for centuries or anything.

What was I thinking!