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The Forum > General Discussion > The Greens, Trots or Trolls of the Parliament?

The Greens, Trots or Trolls of the Parliament?

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Politics is always going to be contentious depending
on one's ideologies. I don't know much about the Greens.
I have never voted for them. However Both former leaders,
Bob Brown and Christine Milne seemed to be good party
leaders from what I've read. As for Lee Rhiannon? I'm
not aware that she's a communist. I've read about the
background of her parents, but children don't always
emulate their parents, as we know.

Anyone can label people and parties. That's easy. But what
about some evidence to substantiate the claims? And why the
sudden attacks on the Greens? If they are such an insignificant
Party - then why attack them? Unless of course they seem to be
posing some kind of perceived threat. In that case it makes
them quite significant to their attackers.

Here's a link that sums up the various parties and where they
stand:

http://www.politicalaustralia.com.au/

And another one that shows how anyone can interpret things rightly
or wrongly about the actions of any party and any leader:

http://www.tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/article/is-the-abbott-government-fascist

http://www.theaimn.com/so-how-fascist-is-australia-right-now/
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 1:42:19 PM
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I would like to take up another serious concern about the Greens and particularly the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens, which is that they so often seem to be encouraging already disaffected persons and impressionable, idealistic youth to form the view that there is no way they can successfully represent their opinions and needs to government.

The horrendous outcomes possible from such defeatist, isolating, anger-building thinking should be obvious to all.

One of the very first and serious priorities of any politician should be to educate and steer all citizens and especially youth towards the many avenues available in a democracy to make one's views known and how to do that.

Secondly, politicians should never be seen to be encouraging already disaffected persons and impressionable, idealistic youth to break laws and disrupt others in the process.

It was outrageous for instance that a Greens politician crossed a State border to light a fire in the open without a permit just to score a shabby headline. That he wasn't immediately rebuked by his colleagues was shabby and could lead others to copy cat, each time going some steps further.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 3:09:41 PM
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Foxy,

Where have you been over the last few years?
The Greens have been attacked on this forum hundreds of times by a number of posters among whom I proudly include myself.

Ref. Rhiannon, a visit to Google should answer your questions.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 4:31:03 PM
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I detect an increasing frustration in the greens. They believe that the
world is going become too hot to live here but nothing is being done
fast enough to suit them.
Their other beliefs are usually poo poo'ed by the majority of people
and they have developed radical attitudes to the extent that they
campaign against anyone who does not agree with them.
Lomberg the Swedish academic comes to mind even getting him sacked.
They have developed an intolerant & arrogant attitude even to the
extent that some who disagree with them should be charged with a new offense.
They even think it is OK to confront people in groups and while wearing
masks assault them.

They are also trying to change the speach behaviour of people who
say things that are not politically correct.
I even had my daughter-in-law pick me up on some non-PC thing I said.
She is an iridescent green Melbourne school teacher.
Says it all.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 4:32:26 PM
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What sin has Lee Rhiannon actually committed to have
people attempt to assassinate her character?
It reminds me of US McCarthyism in the 1950s where
people were demeaned if they were suspected of being
associated with communism.

Here's a link that explains and is worth a read:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-27/the-character-assassination-of-lee-rhiannon/167382
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 5:12:21 PM
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//communism has killed way more people than fascism//

And malaria has killed more than both. The clear lesson here is to be wary of those organisms which are less blessed in the way of brains.

//the greens BDS program which aims to boycott anyone associated with Israel, which primarily means anyone that is Jewish.//

Since when do you have to be associated with Israel to be Jewish? Last time I checked, you only had to be Jewish to be Jewish - the government of Israel doesn't get a say in the matter.

//As for censorship, the greens also want to make illegal any speech that is offensive, and "offensive" means anything that is offensive to the greens.//

That's not a Greens policy; it is dodgy hearsay. Can you not tell the difference?

//some poisons are alkaline and others are acidic and therefore poles apart but they have the same effect.//

Broadly speaking that is correct, however it should be noted that:

1) Pretty much everything is acidic or alkaline, including but not limited to: rainwater, tapwater and food. A pH that is not exactly equal to 7 is no cause for concern.
2) Sola dosis facit venenum: the dose makes the poison. You can die from drinking too much water.
3) Many dangerous toxins are not strongly (in the chemical or the vernacular sense) acidic or alkaline. Their mode of action and toxicity are unrelated to their corrosive properties.
4) The most toxic substance I know of is botulinum toxin (better known as Botox). People choose to get this stuff injected into their face on a regular basis, so clearly a little bit of poison is acceptable to some people.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 9:12:11 PM
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