Hi Paul,

Although it may not fit your narrative, I think that before and during WW II, fascism pretty much spawned itself, even in countries that had been on the Allies' side during WW I, such as Japan and Italy.

I'm puzzled why pseudo-progressives commonly think that various parties, fascists there, Indigenous people here, subjects of imperialism everywhere (except, perhaps, Paul, around the South China Sea ?) are no more than passive victims subject to the all-powerful and vicious decisions of the West, from which all Evil flows.

No, I suspect that people everywhere exert as much agency on their own behalf as they can, acting sensibly as they see it, and that imperialists etc. are never as powerful as they seem. The Vietnamese showed that forty years ago. And so did our soldiers fighting fascism in Papua-New Guinea and north Africa: a generation of heroes.

And Indigenous people have, often within severe constraints, done whatever they liked, I don't believe they've often been herded or had done this or that to them: I really despise that arrogant way of thinking that pitches them as helpless pawns. Re-reading a missionary's Journal, I was struck by how easily people came and went, as they pleased, and reminded of that Mythbusters' program on herding cats. People DO things, they less rarely allow things to be DONE TO them. Young people should take that as a cautionary rule in relation to Indigenous people, and people in general.

Cheers,

Joe

Paul,

The worlds worst atrocities were due to socialism. Either the communists under Stalin or the National socialists under Hitler. Both protagonists closer to the labor party than to the libs, and considering that the greens have a stalinist in Lee Rhiannon, they are the closest of all.

//The worlds worst atrocities were due to socialism. Either the communists under Stalin or the National socialists//

National Socialism was socialist in the same way that the Democratic Republic of Congo is democratic.

Calling something socialist doesn't actually make it socialist, and as much as the right try to wash their hands of any association with the Nazis they can't change the fact that fascism - the form of government that the Nazis actually practised - always has been and always will be a right-wing ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Toni,

What twaddle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism."

There is national socialism, (Nazism) International socialism (communism) one side, and capitalism on the other.

The greens being anti semitic and against free speech, but internationalist are between the two, and a long long way from free capitalism.

Fascism and Communism are but two coins of the same currency, and both of very low value.
Farthings come to mind.

//There is national socialism, (Nazism) International socialism (communism) one side, and capitalism on the other.//

And there is fascism, which is opposed to liberalism and communism. Which the Nazis were. They were never on the side of the communists. Just because fascists and communists both oppose liberalism, it does not follow that they are the same thing.

It's times like this I wish I could post Venn diagrams on OLO.

//The greens being anti semitic and against free speech//

They are neither. Their policies are all there in black and white on their website so you should have no trouble pointing me to any anti-semitic or anti free-speech policies they have (that aren't also supported by the major two - pointing out that the Greens support anti-discrimination laws doesn't count when the major two do as well).

Did you really think anybody would be fooled by such a cartoonish strawman?

//and a long long way from free capitalism//

Well gosh, I guess that clinches it. The Greens are in favour of social welfare; ispo facto they are inexplicably LBGT-friendly neo-Nazis. It's a good thing that you're here to set the record straight on these things - here was me thinking they were just a bunch of noisy hippies who stopped maturing before they graduated from uni (if indeed they ever graduated). Amazing to think that all that racial tolerance stuff they go on about is just a smokescreen for their belief in Aryan superiority.