Poirot,

You seem to be missing the point.

The point being that the Greens would make it a crime to use a gun for self defence.

Now here's one that's not hypothetical, I was recently stalking foxes on a property between Inverell and Glen Innes and I was charged by a rather irate pig; as I was armed with my No1 Ruger in .220 Swift and he was very close, I was able to nail him with one shot; and that's all that I had time for.

According to the Greens' proposed law I would have been liable to prosecution for USING a gun in self defence.

What utter stupidity, and that's why no one who supports the Greens will discuss the NSW Greens' Principle 7, because they realize the utter stupidity of Pr.7.

Is Mise,

"The point being that the Greens would make it a crime to use a gun for self defence."

"According to the Greens' proposed law I would have been liable to prosecution for USING a gun in self defence."

Why would they include this then?

[Principle] 15.4 - Establish good and genuine reasons for possessing a licence (e.g. persons with an occupational requirement, e.g. primary producers, other rural purposes..."

Poirot,

Now I know that you are not that thick.

There is no contradiction between Principle 7
"That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or USING [emphasis added] a firearm."

and " 15.4 Establish good and genuine reasons for possessing a licence (e.g. persons with an occupational requirement, e.g. primary producers, other rural purposes, security employees and professional shooters for nominated purposes or a member of an approved sports shooting association"

To suggest that the latter in some way over rides the former is a 'Watermelon herring'.

Yum !

Hi Paul,

Yesterday you mentioned feminists, so this paper on the sexual slavery of Yazidi women and girls - and why First World feminists haven't yet launched a campaign to highlight the issues - might be right up your alley:

"Why Isn’t Sexual Slavery a Feminist Priority?" on the Quillette web-site:

http://quillette.com/2016/07/13/why-isnt-sexual-slavery-a-feminist-priority/

Bloody good question. Quillette is an interesting web-site - it runs articles which might not make it into the Festival of Slightly Dangerous Ideas here, but still provoke that unfashionable phenomenon, thinking. And for that, we should be thankful. Of course, you may not agree, Paul, given your equation of 'thinking' with 'agreement' :)

Cheers,

Joe

Is Mise,

You are that thick

15.4 "Establish good and genuine reasons for possessing a licence" is applied at the time one is seeking a firearms licence. At that time if one states that reason being the notion of future self defense and no other reason that in itself is not an acceptable reason.
In your example your purpose of having the gun was legitimate under the law. It was not a case of "Oh! look a piggy is attacking me I must apply self defense!" Piggy was the one acting in self defense and lost, you were out there hunting.

Even today if you shoot someone and claim self defense you may well face charges, right up to murder. A court will establish if you had no other alternative and the outcome will be appropriate,
Simply claiming self deference is no defense at all.

One for you Is Mise; My next door neighbor is not a hunter, farmer target shooter etc. He is of good character, do you believe he should own a firearm for no other purpose that possible future self defense?
Do you believe farmer Ian Turnbull was acting in self defense when he shot dead environment officer Blen Turner? Was he incorrectly found guilty of murder? If not please explain the circumstance in which Turnbull would be justified in shooting Turner.

Joe, nothing on Jimmy James? Do you know anything about him?