Have both major parties got it wrong with their bi-partisan immigration and their agreement not to discuss immigration.

Recently A Current Affair did a story based on Angry Anderson's bid for a Senate seat. They did a survey after the story asking if viewers agreed or not with his views about stopping Muslim immigration and 95% agreed with Angry's views. Apparently 7000 people responded.

Does this tell us two things? 1. That people think that immigration is an important issue for election discussion and. 2. That people overwhelmingly think that muslim immigration should be stopped.

Are the major parties wrong to not debate immigration and what of their moratorium on discussion. Is Bob Hawke's brokered agreement out dated?

Interested in views of OLO posters.

Yes Banjo, it is the elephant in the corner of the political room.
The only person I know who believes all moslems are loverly is my
daughter in law school teacher in Melbourne.
That says it all.

I have yet to meet someone who is in favour of Islamic immigration.
I think France and Belgium are giving us a warning that we are being
stupid to ignore. From something I read recently the French government
is now considering it to be a matter of sovereignty.
What their PM said was they have to re-establish French sovereighty ln
French cities.

It has been suggested that 40% of these immigrants are illiterate in their own language.

Our welfare system is the problem as these people have come to realize that Australia will pay you for every child you have and, should you choose not to work, not only will they still pay you, but they will also provide free medical and medicines for as many children you choose to have.

Why on earth would anyone not want to come to Australia.

The reality is that the time is fast approaching where every person unemployed will be treated like scabs simply because our system has been so soft on the offenders for decades. And that's just not fair.

THE ONLY people who should be invited here are those with something to offer and given we are heading south, ALL immigration should be put on hold immediately until we turn the ship around, and that im afraid could take years if not decades, but so be it because that is the result of our soft approach to immigration and welfare

Of course the major parties have got it wrong on immigration, both looking for an increase of 200,000 per year, plus 'refugees'. Immigration should cease altogether. Muslim immigration should never have been; neither should the immigration of people of backward, tribal people from warring countries ever happened. The results of allowing these people into our midst has been ignored by Australian politicians. They are ignoring it now, during an election campaign! That's how stupid they think we are! Immigration is a major issue, and if politicians do not see that, we should not be voting for any of them.

//Immigration is a major issue, and if politicians do not see that, we should not be voting for any of them.//

I encourage every person who is opposed to immigration to follow ttbn's example and vote informal in both houses. This will send an unequivocal message to the politicians that they are out of touch with their electorates and that they need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Maybe the politicians just don't listen to the 'majority' of voters on any major issues?

They don't listen to the vast majority of people in our community who would allow laws for gay marriage or euthanasia either, so why is everyone surprised they won't listen to voters concerned about Islamic immigrants?

Hi Bazz I wish you were right. We do have so many dumbed down getup types who cheer deadbeat druggies and terrorist and mock anyone who even challenges the incompatibility of Islam in the West. Mass rapes, molestations and terrorist attacks are still blamed on you for your views in the dumbed down I generation that our schools have produced. People are still to dumb to realise if it was not for Abbott we would still have masses of illegals piling up more debt on this nation. The hatred of Christianity 's affect on Western civilisation has blinded the eyes of the ignorant and will reap exactly what they have sown. I suspect some of the girls holding up signs in Germany welcoming young men were the ones molested over the last few months.

Strangely enough in Iran the Marxist and homosexuals who cheered the downfall of Christianity were the first to be beheaded when the Islamist came to power. The Marxist love to revise history however it will come back to bite them as they snear and luv to contribute to the downfall of the natural family.

Could it be if both parties do not talk about refugees, immigrants etc after the election they can then let them in by the boatload and just say we did not say we would stop them.

Both major parties seem to be close with a lot of their policies.

Anyone who wants this for Australia needs to be committed.

Sweden: Fewer than 500 of 163,000 asylum seekers found jobs
Of almost 163,000 people who applied for asylum in Sweden last year, less than 500 landed a job, according to a report by a Swedish public broadcaster.

Using figures from Sweden's employment agency Arbetsförmedlingen and migration authorities Migrationsverket, SVT reported on Tuesday that 494 asylum seekers who arrived in 2015 have managed to find a job to support themselves while waiting for their application to get processed.

A person who arrives in Sweden with valid identification documents and has applied for asylum is normally allowed to work despite not yet having a work or residence permit, if Migrationsverket grants them an exception.

Such an exception is called the 'at-und' and usually gets processed automatically, reported SVT. However, only a third of asylum seekers aged 20-64 were given one in a year when Sweden received an unprecedented number of asylum claims.

“It was an incredible number of people applying for asylum in Sweden and so that we would be able to register all of them, we had to de-prioritize certain tasks, and that was the matter of jobs,” Migrationsverket officer Lisa Bergstrand told SVT.

The centre-left Social Democrat-Green government wants to hand out mainly temporary residence permits in the next three years, which would step up the pressure on asylum seekers to find work. A permanent permit could be offered after the first expires, if the person is able to support themselves.

Continued

But figures suggest that the gap between Swedes and foreign-born is likely to grow. In April, the unemployment rate among people born in Sweden was at its lowest since before the global financial crisis in 2008, falling to 4.7 percent. The equivalent among residents born abroad was 14.9 percent.

Long waiting times for residence permits, today up to a year, makes the matter all the more pressing. But Arbetsförmedlingen has little means of supporting asylum seekers looking for work.

“They may be registered in our database as unemployed, but they are only entitled to basic services, that is using our online services and talking to advisers. But there are no programme-based alternatives, that is no courses and no traineeships,” Fredrik Möller, integration officer at Arbetsförmedlingen, told SVT.

Meanwhile, other initiatives are slowly emerging in Sweden. Earlier this month The Local wrote about Sana Abdullah, 30, an IT engineer who got a job after only seven months in Sweden through Sync Accelerator, a recruitment agency helping startups connect with asylum seekers.

“There are a lot of people coming from Syria who are very talented and have a lot of experience especially in the field of IT. It's good to use these qualifications and it will benefit Sweden too. I know a lot of people who want to work, not just learn the language,” she told The Local at the time.

http://www.thelocal.se/20160531/fewer-than-500-of-163000-asylum-seekers-found-jobs

And when you thought it could not get worse.

Mike Baird to give refugees priority in NSW public service jobs

The Baird government will offer refugees a priority pathway to public service jobs in a new commitment that puts it at odds with recent comments by federal Immigration Minister Peter Dutton.

At least 100 public sector jobs will be created for refugees over the next 12 months. Although the scheme has been designed to assist the additional intake of refugees fleeing conflict in Syria and Iraq, all refugees who arrived after December 2015 are eligible.

"No refugee comes here wanting to live off welfare. They all want to build new lives for their family," said the NSW Co-ordinator General for Refugee Resettlement, Peter Shergold.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2016/06/mike-baird-to-give-refugees-priority-in-nsw-public-service-jobs-with-shazs-photos-of-christmas-islan.html

Follow the link to see what some of our so called refugees look like, designer cloths, some that would win any body building competition these guys look like they work out all day in a gym.
One low lifer with a T-shirt that reads "" Fear for your wife""

Next time you visit a NSW Gov office you might be served by one of them.

For the PC it is not racist to not want a country filled by these people but would accept some real some refugees not welfare for lifers and economic invaders.

There are some terrible trends developing in Norway & Sweden.
Police are advising women to try and be accompanied by men when they
go to the city and if they are blonde they should have their hair dyed black.

This is really what it has come to. Malmo in particular is in trouble.
The police there have lost access to large parts of the city.
Fire Brigades and ambulances will not attend without a large police presence.

In Sweden a large vigilante organisation has been formed.
They say they go out to support police but they do seem to act independently.

Yes Phillip and to think we are looking to employ these unknowns in such a vital sector as IT just proves how dumb we really are.

Let's face it: none of the scumbag politicians in Australia are going to protect our country's values and way of life. These creeps are interested only in hanging on to their seats to get as much loot as they can from the rest of us, whose lives and security they are ruining. When they have changed Australia to some unreconizeable multicultural dump, they will be able to flit off to countries such as Switzerland and a few others that have actually taken pride in their identities, and have not let in rubbish not compatible with their standards as they have in this country. I'll say it again: Australian politicians are Australias worst enemy, because they have put themselves before the country and the people stupid enough to elect them. As Yuyutsu said a couple of days ago, our culture is dying; killed by our own politicians.

I don't believe most people are dumb I believe the politicians really just don't care about what the people really want.

They have an agenda dictated by Big Businesses they can't loose you have 2 party choices so Politicians win no matter what.

They still get their lucrative indexed for life pension and rewards from corporations after they leave no matter how badly F!!ed they leave the country and economy.

I notice and I have seen media comment that there is a world wide trend
of the people becoming disenchanted with all their political parties
and are moving their voting to the right.

I am going to vote for the Australian Liberal Alliance in the senate
at the election and I have recently heard that there will be a House of
Reps candidate in my electorate, so I will vote for him.
They have pretty reasonable policies on most things but for me their
policies on immigration and in particular moslem immigration decided me.
Google them and read their manifesto and policies.
Not even some of OLO greenies would find much to complain about.

The problem is that the housing sector is such a huge employer.

Our politicians have nothing to offer to replace the employment building houses provides. They keep the migrant intake high, although it is long term detrimental to our wellbeing, merely to keep housing construction high.

It is the average citizen who ultimately pays the cost of this, but it is the cheapest for government way of keeping employment high, & unemployment costs low. They know they would be chucked out damn quickly if unemployment climbed, so don't expect any of them to act in our best interests where immigration is concerned.

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this site, and I'm really enjoying reading everyone's opinions on immigration and bipartisan government policies. I am currently completing my Honours in Psychology at Federation University. As part of my thesis, I am conducting a study on the factors that may influence public attitudes towards Australian government asylum seeker/refugee policies. If anybody would care to share their opinions, I would greatly appreciate any volunteers to participate in this research project.

I would like to invite individuals who are 18 years or over and eligible to vote in Australia to participate in the study.

Your participation would involve the completion of an online questionnaire, which is estimated to take no longer than 10-15 minutes. The questionnaire does not ask you to provide any information that could be used to identify you. Therefore, your responses will be totally anonymous.

Thank you for taking the time to consider participating. If you would like to participate or receive further information, please follow the link below. Please feel free to share this survey around.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W6CWHMR

Thank you!

Emily

Hi EmPat

a quick look at your survey does not to distinguish between a genuine refugee and an economic refugee who has paid a lot of money to a people smuggler. How can you get an accurate assesment without asking the obvious questions?

Thank you Emily for allowing me to participate in your survey.

I think you should also include a space for responders to describe their attitudes in free-style since answering some of the questions literally as asked could be misleading.

Your survey is not going to be of use to anyone except someone with an agenda or trying to get a specific result as like others say it does not differentiate between economic invaders and real refugees. Especially in section 5.

Some sections are designed to see if people read or just tick boxes, I like that.

EmPat follow this link and tell me if you think any of the people in the pics are real refugees.
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2016/06/mike-baird-to-give-refugees-priority-in-nsw-public-service-jobs-with-shazs-photos-of-christmas-islan.html

That is why your survey fails because you not differentiate between and real ones.
Remember on most boats we got 95% were single men.

Yes Emily, you will find this is the wrong forum for surveys like yours, because this forum is 90% anti-immigration, anti-refugee and anti-Muslim.

Ask the usual good ol' boys here if they would be happy for Australia to accept 'genuine' refugees and immigrants who are also Muslim, and see what their true feelings are....

another knife attack in Sydney although as usual the press hide the fact that this man was crying out to allah as he was about to stab people. Put it down to mental health or lone wolf attack again. Nothing to do with Islam or the Koran.

Just been watching it on TV.
Was it the Hornsby stabbing ?
Where did you hear about the calling to Allah ?

It now appears that in some countries people are talking about immigration policies in relation to terrorism.

Looks like some places in Europe are now reconsidering their immigration policies in relation to crime rates, particularly rape and sexual harassment.

The Orlando shooting has the Yanks talking about muslim immigration.

Pity some of our journos don't ask some pointed questions of party leaders while there is an ideal opportunity, with the election coming up.

If it is correct that 15-25% of muslims have radical views regarding gays, females and infidels, would not curtailing the number of muslims allowed in lower the risk of a devastating attack?

surely, in this day and age the public could directly decide
on issues like immigration and gay marriage by a direct referendum online.
Microsoft know the IP number for every individual computer,ipad etc
The public has passwords for their own individual ip numbers, plus 2step security
with phone, providing website codes.

There are enough security layers there to provide quick computer generated and
computer counted referendum votes.

The politicians should have set up this true democracy by the people, not the
government by now, but they do not wish to hand over their power to the people.
The main reason being protection of their own lucrative incomes and a belief that
they are right and everyone else is wrong. These are human failings that always
seem to get in the way of good governance world wide.