Paul1405,

Once again I have read more than enough of your posts to confirm that your knowledge of gun regulations is absolutely zero, that you have nothing of value to contribute to this subject and you are here just to stir.

I don't doubt your claimed membership of the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens, who come across just as you do, half-baked and out for a stir to get attention.

Regarding 'gun control', the only thing you got right was that it is just a few zealots (a judge's opinion of one in particular) who would have faded from the scene long ago were it not for a few grubby, opportunist NSW 'Watermelon' Greens politicians jumping on the bandwagon and the sponsorship from secretive overseas outfits who interfere in the domestic politics of Australia and other democracies.

As a protest party without any pretensions of ever making a government and therefor never needing to ensure their policies are workable and can be integrated with other government programs, the Greens can always let loose and BS as much as they want. The media uses them for their entertainment value. Which explains why so few media outlets, ABC too, ever stoop to giving the Greens any serious review and criticism.

And of course the tabloids hacks - the ABC seems to have a few - who are incapable of investigative journalism and instead copy and paste the scandalous misinformation of 'gun control' media releases. 'Fact checked' ABC? Sometimes it is 'fact free' and entirely without the balance of an opposing opinion. Ethics?

The mistake the trusting public continually make is to take the melodrama, structured content and editorialising of Q&A and other media talk fests as having any news value ie credibility, at all. -When the ABC itself says, "NO, not news, it is entertainment. How could viewers not understand that?".

I suppose the same could be said of the Greens and the remainder of the Parliament does say it, that the Greens are NOT to be seriously either, it is all protesting for headlines so the elite score handsomely paid sinecures in Parliament.

So, Paul, all your claims are piss and wind and that is why you can't give references,
The Greens had so much to say about the Adler, it's strange that they didn't spread the same alarmist lies about all the other legal lever action shotguns that are on the market.

Still it's a break from the bull that they keep sprouting about semi-automatic pistols.

Beach, what I do know is strong gun laws save lives. Unlike the US with its lax gun laws and skyrocketing gun deaths.

Back to your original claims One of Australia's notorious 'gun control' activists is said to have travelled and studied(?!) courtesy of the Soros organisation. There are persistent allegations that NSW's Trotskyist 'Watermelon' Greens have undisclosed links with highly secretive, 'secret squirrel' 'gun control', Soros and other overseas interests behind it."

Please provide references to your outrageous claims, so Is Mise can verify them.

I believe you made it all up. Nothing new in that!

Paul,

"I believe you made it all up. Nothing new in that!"

Et tu, Paulus?

Beach, I posted your original accusations. If they are valid why can't you name. "Australia's notorious 'gun control' activists", you refer to, the fact is this person does not exists, and you made it up. Secondly "persistent allegations" against the Greens, name the sources of these persistent allegations, or is that another one of your sensational fabrications, I think it is. Show the link between the Greens and "Soros and other overseas interests" or is that simply more of your sensational BS you regularly post, in your feeble attempts to smear the Greens and others. I think so!

Paul1405,

That is just forum baiting and deflection.

Along with some others I drafted a number of detailed posts on this thread and other similar threads, drawing on the history and provisions of firearms regulation, the unfair and scurrilous conflating of the many thousands of law-abiding, licensed citizens with the crimes and illegal guns of the organised crime gangs that Greens and Labor are being seen to protect. Trashing Queensland's successful VLAD is an example of that.

Also the deliberate confusion, the Big Lie of 'gun control' - bans and confiscations to disarm Australia - with what the law-abiding, vulnerable citizens actually want and demand, which is effective firearms REGULATION that manages risks and deters and collars wrongdoers. And strong, well-trained police forces who are coordinating their efforts across all jurisdictions.

The licence is the sole strong, robust control of any merit, the rest of the paraphernalia is just expensive, ineffective nuisance-making and tax collection and window dressing that wastes police resources and takes trained police away from investigations and collaring criminals.

Strong penalties for crimes and that includes illegal use of any weapon, including guns. Accepting that redundancy in laws while allowing politicians the appearance of taking action, is a waste of time and can weaken available laws and enforcement.

Next, firm action on gang violence and drug trafficking, which is why the illegal guns are being imported and used. That relies on better inspection of those thousands of containers and improved intel.

Politicians SUPPORTING police, not rolling logs in their way by removing funding and scattering effective units to the four winds, as is the case with Qld Labor, who with Greens support, are trashing the successful VLAD law and defunding and dispersing the units involved.

The Greens' determined push to destroy VLAD proves they don't give a hoot about crime, just the easy wagon ride of 'gun control' to blame and disarm the legally licensed citizens instead.

That is the Catch 22 of 'gun control' and the lazy 'Protest Party' Greens who have hitched a free ride on the 'gun control' wagon to get headlines.