Is Mise, I can live with people such as yourself using guns for target shooting. However, I still want strong regulation and control as far as guns are concerned, there is always the potential for good people to use them in a bad way.
I understand with Mr Diamond there is some personal family issues involved and that can cause good rational people to act irrationally at times, none of us are above that.

Beach, Michael Diamond is innocent until proven guilty, I have never said he is guilty pf anything. Strangely when it suits your narrative you like police allegations, you use them freely to besmirch the names of others with whom you disagree. You are no clean skin in that department.

With Beach ranting that "sinister forces", both from within and without, are working to disarm Western democracies, and I take that to include Australia, no doubt with the ultimate aim of subjugating society. I see no evidence of anyone trying to disarm proper authority in Australia, the police or military forces, in fact with new technology those authorities have become better equipped than ever. Then who is Beach referring to when he rants of disarmament, it can only be the gun toting private citizens. Why do those of the rabid right want a well armed private citizenry (army). It can only be for two reasons that they see a need for a private armed citizens militia. One the mistaken belief their private militia could be used to repel some sort of external threat. Secondly this private militia under their control could be used to deal with "undesirables" in society, when proper authority fails to act, in their view. That is what it is all about, that is their real agenda, when they attack those of use who want proper gun control.

Paul1405,

'Gun control' is dubious, wealthy, secretive overseas interests interfering in the domestic politics of Western democracies. It is aimed at disarming the law-abiding citizens of Australia.

It has NO effect on illegal guns and criminals and nor is it intended to.

Here is more irrefutable evidence, an almost daily event, that Greens and Labor are going full strap to protect criminal elements who are responsible for those illegal guns and weapons violence - all part of their modus operandi in managing their profitable crime territories:

The Gold Coast Bulletin this morning,

<Labor Government slashes bikie taskforce budget by a third amid fears officers will be moved on

THE budget for Queensland’s bikie gang fighters has been slashed by a third as the State Government refuses to guarantee more resources.

Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls last night said the cutbacks to Taskforce Maxima and the planned watering down of the VLAD laws meant Labor was sending officers on the street with “their hands tied behind their backs”.

The Bulletin had been told Maxima staff were concerned about transfers from the Coast and figures from the Opposition confirmed their fears.

Maxima’s fulltime equivalent staff count dropped from 104 in 2014-15 to 95 in 2015-16.
..
The allocated budget for the taskforce of $2.1 million in 2014-15 had been slashed to $664,000 in 2015-16.>

More,
Violent New Zealand Black Power gang has moved into the Gold Coast and there’s nothing cops can do [because the Palaszcuk Labor government is screwing with the VLAD Law]
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/violent-new-zealand-black-power-gang-has-moved-into-the-gold-coast-and-theres-nothing-cops-can-do/news-story/4b5db99206d18616feb6c221f876bcdb

and

<Kiwi crime gang Mongrel Mob invades Queensland

ONE of the world’s most fearsome crime gangs has invaded Queensland.

The Mongrel Mob, originally from the tough backstreets of New Zealand, has launched a Gold Coast chapter which is now on a collision course with Queensland’s anti-gang taskforce.

Police say they are a “vile” criminal gang known for their brutality, and fear a fresh outbreak of violence on the Glitter Strip.

In the past fortnight large gatherings of Mongrel Mob members have taken place in broad daylight on the Gold Coast and at Logan and Eagleby>
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/kiwi-crime-gang-mongrel-mob-invades-queensland/news-story/ba32b27e79d9656fd1f2a2b6bf0520d4

Beach, any New Zealander convicted of a criminal offence in NZ carrying a custodial sentence of 12 months or more in the past 10 years is denied entry into Australia. New immigration laws brought into effect back in December 2014 mean that anyone who has served a jail sentence of 12 months or more in Australia can be deported.

So, why is it that "Kiwi crime gang Mongrel Mob invades Queensland" Please explain, was Abbott, and now Turnbull falling down on the job?

Haven't your CFMEU and union mates told you that the heavies, the fully patched, get associates to do their dirty work and take any fall that is coming?

Not something they'd be letting on to the 'Useful Idiots', but that is how the union heavies and 'fully patched', the face tattooed lot can move and travel freely, thumbing their noses at police.

Not with the VLAD law though. That had them worried. Finally the Qld police had some teeth. So Labor and Greens are obligingly trashing it and leaving police hamstrung.

Amazing isn't it how Greens and Labor have embraced 'gun control', because it isn't directed at collaring crims and their illegal weapons.

Instead they rail, slag and discriminate against thousands of society's respectable, responsible citizens, blaming them instead and diverting sparse police resources onto the non-productive busy work and paperchase of monitoring the good guys.

Catch 22. Yossarian would recognise it, despairingly.

Any wonder the crims are laughing. Their drug, standover and other businesses are booming. With 'gun control' policy and Labor+Greens holding the reins it is all blue sky for criminals. The left have put the welcome mat out for them. To top it all off they have knobbled the police as demonstrated so graphically (and so often!) by Labor's 'all care and no responsibility' Palaszczuk outfit.

However your 'Watermelon' Greens would be chortling at how they have pulled the wool over the public's eyes too. The Greens are the 'Useful Idiots' of those secret squirrel 'gun control' activists, but they are getting their ready made sensationalist bumpf laced with half-truths and outright fabrications. Hey, that is the stuff the Greens deal in anyhow and it sure makes 'protest' politics even easier.

BTW, what exactly are the academic qualifications of that anti-gun (well, anti respectable licensed citizens having guns) 'Professor Alpers' that 'gun control', Greens and the ABC(!) rely on and prefer for his expert opinions? And are there any criticisms of his reports? This time you might Google. Just another detail the 'Watermelon' knobs are keeping 'on the QT', 'very hush, hush' and 'not to be said'?

Hey, Paul,

What about the lies told about the Adler shotgun?
Nothing to say?
Red face?

Is Mise, okay the Gun Lobby were telling porkies about one of their WMD's. Par for the course, just as they lied about the ultra right wing American National Rifle Association, and its funding of The Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia,

Any comment on foreign interference in Australian domestic politics. The SSAA and its members should be ashamed of themselves. Agree!

Just as this David Leyonhjelm misrepresented himself as some kind of liberal democrat, when he is nothing but an ultra ring wing fruit, who used deceitful manipulation of the voting system to get himself elected. Fortunately the waste of space will be given the boot come 2nd July.

Beach, as one of the last remaining anachronism of Queensland's White Shoe Brigade of the 80's, do you see every Maori and Islander on the Gold Coast as a gang member, or does that apply to black people in general. They seem to be the ones you are constantly targeting for special attention as undesirables.

Is the retired Supreme Court Judge Alan Wilson who conducted an independent inquiry into Queensland's VLAD laws, also in league with bikies and criminals? As you try to make out Labor and the Greens are.