Hey Paul1405,

I don't know Leyonhjelm's ideology, I'm not very political.
I support his efforts sticking up for smokers paying too much (because I smoke) but I'm not keen on the GMO agenda.
Not sure his stance on guns, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if both sides of the gun agenda had groups supporting and pushing each argument.
I haven't noticed any pro-gun articles as such though and one might expect them if there was an campaign of some kind.

I don't like your example, it sucks.
I still believe farmers need guns to protect and put down livestock and pests when necessary so they are the class that legitimately need guns the most.
Your example's a tragic case, (of murder nonetheless) but its hard to make a judgement on it when farmers are being pushed to the wall and are being placed in such a position where they may be the generation that loses the family farm and family legacy.
They are just as likely to put the gun in their own mouths leaving a wife and kids to fend for themselves (If they haven't already left) given the stress they are under and its a real shame they aren't just able to get on with farming the great food this country is capable of producing.
Its hard to know whether or not the Environmental Agency were actively out to get him (had there been previous confrontations?)or whether he was under stress and delusional in his thinking.
In either case he wasn't of sound mind, but it doesn't change what he did.

I blame the government at some level for not doing more to support farmers.

Paul1405,

That is just more of your deflections and red herrings.

An offender was gaoled. Beaut! Full marks to those police the Greens habitually insult and sledge while defending criminals' rights.

How does it have anything to do with these people (see below) and the many thousands like them that the Greens slag and defame?

"Six Australian shooters to target Paralympic gold in Rio

TUESDAY, MAY 17, 2016

Australia’s Paralympic shooters have pledged to dedicate their success in Rio to late five-time Paralympian Ashley Adams, after the Australian Paralympic Committee (APC) today announced the six shooters heading to the Games this September.
..
“Australia has an impressive history in shooting at the Paralympics, starting off with Libby hitting the mark with a gold in 1976.

“Our shooters have posted some terrific results since London, and we’re very hopeful these results will continue in Rio,” McLoughlin said.

Paralympic shooting is open to all athletes with a physical disability in both standing and wheelchair classes. Athletes compete in rifle and pistol events from distances of 10, 25 and 50m, in men's, women's and mixed competitions.

The Rio Paralympic Games will take place from 7-18th September, 2016."..
http://www.shootingaustralia.org/media/articles/2016/six-australian-shooters-to-target-paralympic-gold-in-rio/

Paul1405,
How are you going with that Google search of the Greens' site for activists connected with 'gun control'? Have the Greens knobs been keeping something from you? It seems they could be.

What about that outstanding question (among many) you continue to duck? Here,

"What exactly are the academic qualifications of that anti-gun (well, anti- respectable licensed citizens having guns) 'Professor Alpers' that 'gun control', Greens and the ABC(!) rely on and prefer for his expert opinions? And are there any criticisms of his reports? Just another detail the 'Watermelon' knobs are keeping 'on the QT', 'very hush, hush' and 'not to be said'?"

See here [onthebeach, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 11:53:30 AM]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7297&page=0

And who is that Samantha Lee that the NSW Greens appear to be cozied up up? That must come as a big surprise to you Paul1405. More evidence that the Greens knobs are not taking you into their confidences? LOL

Is Mise, nothing like a one eighty to turn the victim into the culprit, unfortunately for your line of argument we are in the real world of here and now. Give me Howard's myopic laws any day, if it means saving but one life. Please do not wheel out that silly old furphy that strong gun laws don't save lives, that one has been done to death, forgive the pun.

AC, I wished we never have to speak of people like farmer Ian Turnbull and the tragedy that his violent use of a gun has brought into so many peoples lives, not the least his own. But that is the reality of guns in society. I wont argue the particulars of this case, a court has already done that and reached its verdict.
"I support his (Leyonhjelm) efforts sticking up for smokers paying too much (because I smoke)" Well, for me that is just another nail in his political coffin.

Beach, as usual you are all over the shop, first its something on Australia’s Paralympic shooters, what is your point?
Then you go onto Samantha Lee GCA and the Greens. as if Samantha Lee is some evil doer. What is your point.
I would prefer the Greens to cozy up to someone who is committed to saving lives than to a crackpot who called himself Mr Moderate and then favored an armed citizens militia. Of course the Greens policy is closely aligned with the aims and aspirations of people like Gun Control Australia and the Homicide Victims Support Group than it is with the Shooters and Hooters or that SS mob. Are you trying to make out I don't know this? If you are then you are sadly mistaken, its all old news

Paul,

180 degree turns?
You'd be very familiar with them!

I didn't attempt to turn the victim into the culprit, I observed that a person in his position/job should have been allowed to be armed.
The co-culprits are the Greens and other groups that deny people the means of self defence.

Paul1405,

You have been caught out again.

But you do not have the politeness and grace to admit it.

That is typical for the Greens and the Trotskyist NSW 'Watermelon' Greens in particular. There is that standing joke about the Greens and their propensity to deal in half-truths and outright fabrications.

You consistently gone out on a limb to deny any contact between the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens and 'gun control' activists. Even when you bluff was called and it was suggested you check out the Greens website and media outlets you continually squirmed, ducked, moved the goal posts and laid down your usual red herrings.

Now, what about an answer to that other question you are ducking? Here you go,

"What exactly are the academic qualifications of that anti-gun (well, anti- respectable licensed citizens having guns) 'Professor Alpers' that 'gun control', Greens and the ABC(!) rely on and prefer for his expert opinions? And are there any criticisms of his reports? Just another detail the 'Watermelon' knobs are keeping 'on the QT', 'very hush, hush' and 'not to be said'?"

See here [onthebeach, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 11:53:30 AM]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7297&page=0

Is Mise, I take it you favor a good old style Dodge City shootout then. So when mum, dad and the kids go for the weekly Saturday shop to the local 'Wollies', not only should they take their family grocery list, but they should also be pack'n Colt 45's as well, Derringers for the kids! You never know when you are likely to come across a stroppy check-out-chick, or get slow service at Macca's. When they bring that in I'll be on the first stage out of town. Is that what the American NRA tells you blokes to think or do you get it from old John Wayne movies?

Beach, your "news" is 6 months out of date. David Shoebridge (NSW Greens MLC) held a media conference with both GCA and the Homicide Victims Support Group late last year, you must have missed it, or were you too busy with a anti Green tiraid in the Murdoch gutter press, to catch up with the real news.

Beach, just to help you out, another with no Google skills.

http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/people/academics/profiles/philip.alpers.php