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Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 6 May 2016 9:25:52 PM
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Governments, in this case the federal government, are the bully boys on the block who show complete contempt for history and agreements they themselves have entered into in the past.
Typically, the feds have been bullying the NSW Rifle Association for over twenty years, trying to get the land to flog it off to developers, probably to overseas interests. Government just turned around and issued an eviction notice out of the blue. The appropriately named ANZAC Range is where Australian soldiers trained for both world wars and it has been has been NSWRA's headquarters for over forty years. I am led to believe that the main stumbling block where the federal government was concerned, was that it wouldn't establish a facility elsewhere in exchange. The facility is a paying proposition for government and the many licensed competition shooters who use it pay large fees for their licences (John Howard's 'initiative'!). They don't seem to get much in return for lining the pockets of government and especially the State government. -Reminiscent of boat owners, where licence and other fees that were supposed to be returned as more and improved facilities, eg boat ramps with secure parking, but in reality bugger all in return, not even politeness from the regulators and their public bureaucrats. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 8 May 2016 7:02:32 AM
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Is Mise, lets hope the Shooters stop handing out guns to mentally unstable people to commit suicide. Regrettably there have been 8 suicides at shooting ranges across Australia since 2002. As in the case of Gabby Molnar, who in 2013 went to that very range you speak of ANZAC at Malabar, simply filled out a P650 form as a unlicensed shooter. with no checks. was give a gun and ammunition, went to the car park unsupervised and blew his brains out!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-17/widow-calls-for-tighter-gun-laws-after-shooting-range-suicides/6327284 I don't have a problem with people target shooting, shooting clay pigeons, even going to the local carnival and shooting tin ducks with a bent air rifle, trying to win your favorite, Donna, a big fat stuffed bear. Whatever turns you on in that regard. But giving out guns to mentally unstable people, I can't come at that, but lets not have that interfering with the fun. i'm sure your so called "liberal democrat" Senator will get his just reward at the upcoming election. The irony being there is a good chance David Leyonhjelm position in NSW will be taken by a Green. Could this be Dave's first, last and only hurrah in the Senate. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 May 2016 7:03:45 AM
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Paul,
Gabby Molnar killed himself at Condell Park not ANZAC range, but then a Green has never let facts get in the way of scoring a political point. The unfortunate man was intent on ending his suffering and he chose a quick and relatively painless way of doing so, no doubt he never thought of the wider ramifications of his action. Nor, I would imagine, did he ever think that a member of a party that supports the right of terminally ill people to choose to end their suffering would use his death to try and score a point that is totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 9 May 2016 10:34:55 AM
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Is Mise, my error, different location same result, but I am glad to see you acknowledge the facts of the matter.
Wow! I take it you are in favour of shooting ranges being able to give the mentally unstable who want to commit suicide the means to do so. All you require is a P650 form? Is that correct. Yes I support the right of terminally ill people to choose to end their suffering, but no with the unsupervised assistants of the Shooters. This is not isolated, in 2011; The tragic case of Shamin Fernando, who shot her father Vincent Fernando, in her Glebe home, with a gun she stole from a pistol club she had been allowed to join despite her mental illness. Police tried to have this 'Gun Clubs' licence suspended. Is Mise, there are community concerns about the lackadaisical way these shooting ranges are run, including the ANZAC Range at Malabar. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 May 2016 11:40:44 AM
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Paul,
"Is Mise, there are community concerns about the lackadaisical way these shooting ranges are run, including the ANZAC Range at Malabar." Reference, please,i.e. put up or .... but then you're always shy of references. I help run a range and attend many others and none of them are run in a lazy manner, in fact quite the opposite, all the range officers that I know are right on the ball all the time. If ranges were run in a slack manner then Firearms Registry (FAR) would be right on to them FAR take their job seriously. The developers have had their greedy eyes on the ANZAC Range for years, hopefully they'll now lay off for a while. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 9 May 2016 2:54:16 PM
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You're right there ONTHEBEACH, the military do utilize this range for some of their small arms training once upon a time.
Today, the NSW Police still conduct training out there for some of their specialised F/A training. Recruits still undertake their initial F/A training at the Academy at Goulburn, but many others still take advantage of the giant ANZAC Range, for other S/A's weapons training. The fact that many of the big bore civilian Rifle clubs will now have a permanent home for their shooting competitions for at least the next fifty years is excellent in my opinion. I started my big bore competitions, with the Hurstville VDC Rifle Club in 1957, at the now defunct mammoth ANZAC Range,Liverpool (now closed for housing) using a relatively unknown rifle called the SMLE, .303 with a heavy barrel and aperture 'Central Sights'. Again ONTHEBEACH was perfectly correct when he opined in an earlier article, many of the Rifle Club shooters, later joined the Army at the outbreak of WWII, and were among the Army's top precision shooters. The fact ANZAC Rifle Range's future has now been assured, for at least the next fifty years, is most laudable. Both for the noble sport of Civilian big bore competitions, with 'The Queen's Prize' as the ultimate objective. Together with the availability and physical presence of a full size, 900metre rifle Range for the Australian Army, to conduct regular small arms training so close to the nation's largest city. Accordingly, it's for this reason I thoroughly endorse everything my knowledgeable colleague, IS MISE has stated herein, concerning the efforts of Senator David LEYONHJELM. To ensure the existence of the ANZAC Rifle Range, at Malabar NSW, is preserved at it's present site for a period of at least fifty years. Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 9 May 2016 2:57:41 PM
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The range at Malabar was originally granted in perpetuity, but some twenty years ago the greedies got their eyes on it and the Government decided to cancel the lease; the upshot was that the Court decided that "perpetuity" didn't mean what everyone thought that it meant ie, forever.
Now some development of a different kind can take place and hopefully the land will remain largely open space for a long, long time. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 9 May 2016 4:25:52 PM
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Trust the Greens not to be able to figure statistics.
Eight suicides on ranges over about fifteen years proves the exact opposite of what shyte stirring Greens 'Protest' Party imagine. In a population of 23 million, going on 100 million if the 'Open Doors to People Smugglers' Greens have their way, 8 is an insignificant number and proves that the firearm is NOT the preferred choice of persons contemplating suicide and that ranges are tightly controlled. Paul1405 quoted the wife of a sufferer of terminal cancer who took his own life. First, it is almost impossible to prevent a determined patient in that circumstance from doing what he did. Secondly, there was no evidence at all to say he was suffering from a mental illness as stated by Paul1405. Finally, for the Greens who are forever promoting euthanasia it is hypocrisy for them to say that this terminal patient committed a crime to blame the firing range. -Which is what they are saying if fault is to be (wrongly) attributed to the range. From the report, <In May 2013, Mr Molnar was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given months to live. He decided against chemotherapy, a decision his wife reluctantly supported. "He said, 'I'd rather shoot myself in the head than go through those treatments'," she said. "And to that I laughed and he laughed too. We both laughed because he didn't like guns."> http://tinyurl.com/z7hsyk2 Many would say instead that the fellow was selfish to embarrass the range administrators and the 'guns' he hated. Just as anyone who leaps in the front of a train selfishly causes psychological trauma to the driver and those who deal with the aftermath. Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 9 May 2016 5:14:18 PM
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'evening to you ONTHEBEACH...
If a potential suicide patient puts their mind to it, they'll always find a way to harm themselves, whatever measures are taken to prevent them from accomplishing their desired objective. 'Deaths in custody' are such a point in reference. Long Bay had a special section called the 'OBS', therein they had half a dozen cells dedicated to prevent a prisoner from hurting themselves. The cells had padding on the walls and floors, and no extendable or proud surfaces to which a prisoner might fasten something to, everything was flush, to defeat a prisoner intent on hurting themselves. Even then, some still managed to do the deed, so to speak, with all the best intentions in the world? Humans are such a resilient lot when they place their minds to something! Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 9 May 2016 8:55:44 PM
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Is Mise, I am community, and I am concerned!
Being a reasonable person, as you know, and giving due consideration to the fact the headland has been used as a rifle range for sometime now. I am "pleased" that at least the area will remain open space, even if bullets are whizzing by at the same time. I would have preferred if it had become passive use, but I'll accept the rifle range as the second best option, even if it only serves 2% of the population, but keeps the ever hungry developers out. I am even more pleased at the return of the pony club to the headland. The whole ecology of the area has been under threat from successive state governments of both persuasions for sometime, as they eye off the juicy cash plum that is Malabar. It started with the disgraceful development that took place on the old Prince Henry Hospital site, even before that was the Malabar sewerage treatment works, continued with the headland and is now focusing on the old Long Bay Jail site. o sung wu. we spoke once before about Long Bay Jail, the latest to come out of Macquarie Street, only this week from an unnamed source. The closure of 'The Bay' allowing for development, with a new 5,000 inmate mega prison centered on of all places Picton. The good Liberal voters of Wollondilly Shire, who incidentally are big on law and order, with their lock em' up, throw away the key mentality, were quickly up in arms! Yes, we want more prisons but not in our back yard. The proposal went down like a lead balloon. I'm sure that was only the opening salvo, more is to come. Beach, what an insensitive comment; "8 (deaths) is an insignificant number" not to the loved ones who lost those close to them in the most horrific and tragic of circumstances. Typical of a extreme right winger who has no sensitivity for people. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 5:42:19 AM
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Paul,
"Is Mise, I am community, and I am concerned!" You ain't a community" you is a "one" What a copout!! I share your concerns about the Long Bay site,if the prison must go then the land should become open space' The place for a new prison ts about 200 miles northwest of Bourke. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 8:17:53 AM
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Is Mise, you know full well there are legitimate, and rightly so, community concerns about gun laws, and gun control in general.
Long Bay is where it is, and should remain where it is. Are you coming over to the dark side, or should I say the green side, talking of open space. Politicians and their kite flying. A mega prison at Picton with 5,000 inmates! Now they can negotiate down, and settle on a 3,000 inmate establishment at Gudgegong, where the locals will be over the moon at the prospect of jobs and growth! Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 10:53:27 AM
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Paul1405, (to Is Mise) "you know full well there are legitimate, and rightly so, community concerns about gun laws, and gun control in general"
No that is a misrepresentation and a misstatement - as in to state wrongly and falsely - of public concerns and the problem. The public and that includes those many thousands of reputable, law-abiding citizens who have firearms licences, are concerned about crime and the threat of personal assault and home invasions. Most serious violence, including with weapons, is associated with drug trafficking and dealing, and the imported ethnic gang members add to that with their traditions of violence to solve even minor disagreements (add their noxious traditions of 'honor' maiming and killing of girls and women). Gun Control is Different. It is politically inspired and directed. The sinister leftist, secret squirrel, overseas interests that are behind 'gun control' are a different kettle of fish entirely, having the international socialist goal of disarming the western democracies. As can be expected of the flakey Greens and particularly the Trotskyists of the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens, they are the 'Useful Idiots' along for the headlines and ride with the highly secretive overseas interests behind 'gun control'. There is NO way in hell Australians would want to be supporting secretive overseas interests and corporations, such as that billionaire international currency dealer who was found guilty of a serious currency offence by a French court (he appealed and lost again) and is reputed to have nearly sent the Bank of England broke. Paul1405, What links do the NSW Greens have with 'gun control' activists and with those publicity-shy overseas interests, especially corporations, behind it? Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 10 May 2016 5:18:15 PM
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Beach, the only person around here who misrepresents things is YOU! Just as the community is concerned about crimes and the threat of personal assault and home invasions, including the crimes associated with drugs etc. The community is also concerned about the crimes committed by people not associated with those of whom you speak. Like the killing of Environmental Officer Glen Turner by a farmer, or the death of Gabby Moinar at a shooting range, the mass murders committed by both Ivan Milat and Martin Bryant and many other deaths in Australia associated with guns, but not with drugs and gangs etc. The community is rightly concerned these issues as well.
What is also of concern is people of the extreme right, who advocate a private "citizens militia" under their control no doubt. One with links to right wing extremists in North America and Europe, people who sympathise with the actions of the mass murderer Anders Behring Brevik in Norway. The Greens are a moderate political party with no such links as you infer... Where do you stand? Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 5:35:45 AM
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Paul1405,
You would stretch anyone's credulity denying as you do any links between the Greens and the extremists behind 'gun control'. Maybe you could explain how both have near identical outlandish statements and false data and claims? The highly secretive, sinister, overseas interests `behind 'gun control' who constantly interfere in the domestic politics of western countries and provide corporate support and seeding money to leftist demonstrations, for instance 'Occupy' nuisance demonstrations against 'capitalism', are threats to the democracy and to the security of western countries. Any wonder they and the 'gun control' activists they sponsor are so secretive. In Australia, 'gun control' is alleged to just be a couple or a few public servants with phones, internet connections and fax machines for their press releases. That being so, it is simply astounding how 'their'(who knows where it originates from) gun control bumpf finds its way into the media and particularly the ABC apparently unedited and no allowance for balance from the peak associations of the licensed thousands of citizens affected. The Greens are cynical of course, anything to protest and get those headlines to keep the favoured, selfish elite in the parliament and doing SFA but whine. Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 1:58:27 PM
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Not being a Sydneysider, I'm a bit puzzled: why is everyone so keen to keep the developers away from the land that would have an extremely high value for housing?
Posted by Aidan, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 2:53:03 PM
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You might remain puzzled why parts of Sydney Harbour are not reclaimed to be built on as well.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 3:16:22 PM
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Hi there PAUL1405...
You're right, it's usually the case where many in our community clamour for tougher sentencing, which by necessity requires more gaols in which to house them. But never in their own backyard it would seem? That said, a large gaol does provide the local community with a certain amount of employment, and the supply of large quantities of consumables, together with other goods and services. And generally speaking, is good for any society that's hard pressed in making a go of things, in tough economic times. As an aside, I wouldn't mind in the slightest residing near a large maximum security prison. Any escape therefrom, the escapees usually prefer to decamp from the vicinity of the prison as quickly and quietly as possible, in order to make good their 'bolt' from the 'boob'! Take it easy there Paul. Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 8:52:33 PM
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One of the reasons to keep ANZAC range open is the fact that the Government has an obligation to make sure that there are sufficient ranges for shooters to enjoy target shooting and ANZAC is an excellent range,
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 10:53:36 PM
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David Leyonhjelm, seems upset at the prospect of having to face the voters. Being so democratic as he claims to be, you would think he would be happy at the prospect, but no he is angry. Dear Old Dave was thundering how he'll be putting The Greens last! Well that will cost us two preferences, Dave's and Is Mise, although IM might be a Shooters and Hooters voter, I don't think Beach can vote in NSW. The anger has nothing to do with the fact that Dear Old Dave has a snow flakes hope in hell of victory, would it.
Aidan is a bit puzzled: why is everyone so keen to keep the developers away from the land that would have an extremely high value for housing? Hyde Park in the center of Sydney, a prime example of wasted real estate, lets get Harry Triguboff and his bulldozers in there ASAP. Beach, your conspiracy theories are baseless rubbish. Is Mise, since when does the State government have an obligation to make sure that there are sufficient ranges for shooters to enjoy target shooting. The government has no obligation to pander to the 1% of the population so they can get their jollies! What the government has, is an obligation to provide hospitals, schools etc to satisfy the needs of the majority of its citizens. All the rest is a luxury. As one of the 99%, I am "pleased" that the developers lost out in relation to the ANZAC Range. O sung wu, I don't buy the argument from some quarters that it is imperative that the Long Bay Jail site be redeveloped at all cost. As for escapes, most make their get away on a public bus, not over the wall. I kid you not, day release prisoners who generally are having partner problems abscond in the faint hope of sorting it out. I used to go to the jail and buy plants, they had a very good nursery. The men in green used to help old ladies to their car with their purchases. A big vegie garden as well. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 12 May 2016 7:53:33 AM
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No, onthebeach,I don't remain puzzled why parts of Sydney Harbour are not reclaimed to be built on as well. I can see the value of keeping it in something like its natural state (or at least keeping it as a waterway).
But I can't see the value of keeping the shooting range in this particular location (rather than moving it to somewhere around Olympic Park, for example). And I think it would make sense to move the prison to an industrial area further west. And Paul1405, while I would normally side with the Greens and Xenophon over Leyonhjelm, in this case he has every right to be upset with them. The problem isn't facing the public (even though he's likely to lose his seat), it's the gerrymander they supported in the guise of senate voting reform. Proper senate voting reform would've been welcome, but this new system encourages people to exhaust their preferences rather than letting them flow to minor parties. Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 12 May 2016 11:49:59 AM
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Paul1405,
The Greens are attention-seeking hypocrites who ride the 'gun control' bandwagon that aims to disarm western democracies. That is not firearms regulation at all. It is certainly not targeted at deterring and collaring criminals. The Greens are serial protesters, unprincipled troublemakers chasing headlines to secure cozy sinecures in parliament for a middle class elite of chard-quaffing, leather seat polishers who wear their hearts on their sleeve for foreign interests and disrespect Australia and Australians. The Greens showed their colours in Queensland where along with Labor they are scuttling the only effective measure against violent drug-trafficking organised criminals and outlaw motorcycle gangs, the Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 (VLAD) that was upheld by the High Court of Australia. As a result, the gangs have moved back into the Gold Coast and SE Qld, http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/kiwi-crime-gang-mongrel-mob-invades-queensland/news-story/ba32b27e79d9656fd1f2a2b6bf0520d4 and http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/national/bikies-using-luxury-accommodation-to-run-their-criminal-activities/news-story/3b089720aca08e36c90c09156cb46d5b The Greens are soft on criminals. They are part of the Greens 'disaffected demographic' for votes. So of course the 'rights' of criminals are first priority for the Greens, as evidenced by the Greens' opposition to the successful VLAD law. On the other hand the Greens have no sympathy at all for victims, the law-abiding public and the many thousands of respectable licensed gun owners who are within that law-abiding public. Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 12 May 2016 11:57:32 AM
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Aidan,
All shooting ranges are conservation areas protected by the clubs that manage them. It has always been that way and long, long before political grubs like the Greens started to throw their weight around, posing as 'green' but actually about far left social change. Likewise the shooting clubs and ranges have always been non-discriminatory and never regarded that as anything special, just normal. Here, some photos from a smaller club. The clubs are always open for public inspection and audits. http://ipswichrifle.qldrifle.com/photo-gallery/ The openness and transparency of Australian shooting clubs and associations is completely the opposite to the highly secretive, overseas sponsored 'gun control' crew the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens quote and are alleged to be in cahoots with. Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 12 May 2016 12:18:09 PM
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Paul,
As it is compulsory under State law for most licenced firearm owners to record scores in target shooting matches etc., then it is incumbent upon the State Government to make provision for citizens to be able to comply with their legal obligations. To do otherwise would be obstructing the fair application of the law. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 12 May 2016 1:31:05 PM
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Hi there PAUL1405...
Most within the justice system (police, lawyers, DPP, the judiciary, and relatives of those incarcerated therein) are opposed to selling off Long Bay for one very simple reason - proximity to the CBD of Sydney. It's a matter of convenience and easy accessibility for all concerned. If they intend to build a huge boob near Picton it makes it a far more difficult proposition to for everybody to get to the place. Once again it's these bloody politicians who wish to cash up their coffers from redevelopment of the Site who are behind this nonsense. Most crims employed outside the walls are on what's called an 'outside warrant'. If they choose to 'hit the toe' they are considered to have absconded from lawful custody. The difference between 'escape and abscond' in gaol parlance; to escape...the crook usually 'breaks out' or climbs over the wall. Whereas to abscond...the crook (on outside warrants) can simply walk away from the gaol. All pretty boring, I realise. Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 12 May 2016 1:55:44 PM
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Hi o sung wu,
Absolutely correct, remand centers etc need to be located relatively close to the legal people. Long Bay is only a short trip down ANZAC Pd, it gives easy access to the courts and to legal representatives. No matter how we feel about crime, people on remand are innocent until proven guilty and deserve due consideration for family visits etc. Hi Is Mise, Not sure I agree, that the government have an obligation to provide the physical apparatuses to check the competency of people in relation to the community demand that such people be checked for their ability to use a gun. Its not in the same league as say the necessity of government to provide the apparatuses to test peoples driving ability. I would liken it more to the hoons demanding the government provide hoon tracks to indulge their perverse pleasure, and then force government to pay to test their hoon ability, so they wont kill themselves or us. Maybe a user pay system for such infinitesimal minorities such as shooter and their offspring the hooters is in order. I have not said much about the hooters in the past, but we must remember they are joined at the hip with the shooter, through the Shooters and Hooters Party! just to digress i was shocked at the way Bob Ballsuo from the Shooter and Hooters Party declared war, metaphorically speaking, on Mike Baird over council amalgamations in NSW. Bob was spitting chips. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 13 May 2016 5:24:13 AM
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Beach, another one of your senseless diatribes against The Greens. Baseless nonsense. You push the same old rubbish on the forum at every opportunity, but do not disclose your own political affiliations to the lunatic fringe that is the extreme right.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 13 May 2016 5:52:39 AM
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Paul1405,
It is on the public record that in the last Qld election when Labor's Palaszczuk came to power the Greens showed their colours by actively campaigning against the only effective measure ever against violent drug-trafficking organised criminals and outlaw motorcycle gangs, namely the Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 (VLAD). The VLAD was upheld by the High Court of Australia, despite hugely expensive appeals by bikie Queens Counsel(!). This is one of the compelling reasons for the VLAD and bikies had also surrounded a police station and threatened police and their families. <‘Biggest bikie turf war we’d ever seen’ Jeremy Pierce, today in The Courier-Mail Bikie violence took over the Gold Coast during the so-called ‘ballroom blitz’ incident. IT WAS the night of bikie violence that shattered the Gold Coast’s illusion of innocence forever. Seven years before Bandidos big gun Jacques Teamo descended on Broadbeach with an army of thugs, sparking sweeping law changes that brought the bikie world to its knees, there was another night of mayhem that shocked Australia. This year is the 10th anniversary of the wild night dubbed the ‘ballroom blitz’, a ferocious frenzy of violence which left five people in hospital and hundreds of innocent bystanders cowering under tables or fleeing in terror...> http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/biggest-bikie-turf-war-wed-ever-seen/news-story/9454cddda944fe35797a0e0047270841#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-topstories%7C5%7Clink%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1463094354515 Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 May 2016 9:29:45 AM
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Paul,
Compulsory attendance at a range is not a test of competency but a legal requirement, mandated by law. Therefore the makers of that law have an obligation to provide means of compliance with their law. Simple as that. Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 13 May 2016 9:58:41 AM
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Paul1405,
Your Greens, Labor too, are in denial, <Police warn of surge as bikies ‘recruit from young street gangs’ THE AUSTRALIAN APRIL 18, 2016 Queensland Police’s Michael Niland has warned bikie gangs are stepping up their recruitment practices. The head of Queensland’s organised crime taskforce has warned about outlaw gang recruitment and said police would be concerned at any surge in numbers, as the Palaszczuk government considers overturning the state’s tough anti-bikie laws. The Australian can reveal several gangs, including the Nomads, have recruited young members from violent street crews operating between Brisbane and Tweed Heads on the NSW border. .. Police have expressed concerns about Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s plans to repeal Campbell Newman’s Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment laws and replace them with legislation mirroring anti-bikie policies in NSW. Legislation is not expected to be ready until August and there are fears bikie gangs will take advantage of the limbo period with an influx of new gangs, including from New Zealand, the US and The Netherlands, into southeast Queensland. The Hells Angels have increased the gang’s presence on the Gold Coast, amid fears of a turf war with established groups the Mongols and Finks on the glitter strip. Some Nomads bikies — including the gang’s 23-year-old vice-president — have been targeted by Taskforce Maxima in recent months. Superintendent Niland, who helped lead the fight against bikies after a series of public shootings and brawls, said feeder gangs remained a concern. Gold Coast feeders for the Nomads and Bandidos were identified as the Gold Coast Brotherhood and Mexican Soldiers. “The feeder street crews do exist and some individuals do move on to established gangs,” he said. “Queensland Police Service and our partner law-enforcement agencies will continue to keep the pressure on the feeder gangs, know who they are, proactively target their criminal activities and make their life in any gang very uncomfortable,” he said...> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/police-warn-of-surge-as-bikies-recruit-from-young-street-gangs/news-story/eeb2908d0cc75dce2fc6f9df0af4eded That puts the lie to any claims by Greens that they are concerned about illegal guns, violence and crime. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 May 2016 2:17:37 PM
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Beach at the moment these VLAD laws in Queensland are your favorite hobby horse. Nothing unexpected in that, given your extreme right wing views. You often post material that favors a police state.
As I understand it these VLAD laws introduced by the 'Hard Boiled' Newman conservative government were criticized by many as being excessively harsh and somewhat ineffective. The Labor Party promised an independent review of the laws. Justice Alan Wilson conduced such a review and now the Palaszczuk Labor government is acting on Justice Wilson's recommendations. Are you suggesting Justice Alan Wilson is under the influence of bikie gangs and criminals. Maybe you think Mike Baird in NSW is under the same influence as Justice Wilson, because the new Queensland laws will mirror those in NSW. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 13 May 2016 6:38:40 PM
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It is unremarkable and totally expected that the review scoped and instituted by Labor's Palaszczuk government to recommend changes to the successful VLAD law would do just that, recommend changes as was the brief.
As for 'undemocratic', what bald-faced misrepresentation and hypocrisy. The arrogant Labor government has gone against public and business opinion, which is very strongly for keeping the VLAD law and the judgement of the High Court of Australia. As stated by the Queensland police and partner law-enforcement agencies throughout Australia, the closing down of outlaw motorcycle club premises disrupted the illegal activities of the gangs and spoiled their recruitment of young middle-eastern hoodlums in particular. These are the people the serially protesting Greens (and Labor) protect and encourage, http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/biggest-bikie-turf-war-wed-ever-seen/news-story/9454cddda944fe35797a0e0047270841#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-topstories%7C5%7Clink%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1463094354515 http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/kiwi-crime-gang-mongrel-mob-invades-queensland/news-story/ba32b27e79d9656fd1f2a2b6bf0520d4 http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/national/bikies-using-luxury-accommodation-to-run-their-criminal-activities/news-story/3b089720aca08e36c90c09156cb46d5b These are the rather ordinary, respectable, law-abiding, good citizens that the Greens disrespect, defame and spin lies about, http://corporate.olympics.com.au/sports/shooting and these good people who put their free time and back into practical conservation, <Are you a responsible conservation hunter? SSAA Conservation & Wildlife Management Qld wants YOU Participate in various feral control projects each month in some magnificent parts of Queensland, enjoying mateship and camaraderie with like-minded individuals Use your skills and time to help protect our native wildlife and the environment Regular ongoing skills development includes bushcraft, first aid, conservation and animal welfare, map reading and use, ethical hunting practices, GPS use, marksmanship, 4WD use, chainsaw certificates, remote communications and more> http://cwm.ssaaqld.org.au/2013/ As a NSW 'Watermelon' Green, you'd only be supporting Green human headlines who travel to Queensland to set fires in the open without a permit though, http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7270 Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 13 May 2016 9:48:25 PM
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As I said the bloke favours a POLICE STATE!
"As stated by the Queensland police" He quotes the police as if they should be making the laws. As I said he favours a POLICE STATE. Along with an armed citizens militia under right wing control! Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 13 May 2016 10:43:57 PM
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The notion that the more progressive side of politics as represented by some section of the Labor Party and The Greens are soft on crime is a fallacy, falsified by those of the extreme right. Since 9/11 in Australia all governments, both federal and state, have acted to strengthen criminal law, but also having due consideration for the civil liberties of its citizens. What Newman brought on in Queensland was an ineffective over reaction and now .Annastacia Palaszczuk is moving under advice to correct that imbalance.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 14 May 2016 8:18:16 AM
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The 'progressive' side of politics? What a crock of *bleep*.
Why not be upfront and tell the truth, that the 'Progressives' are in fact International Socialists undercover? Labor's Bob Hawke and ors have been saying that for years, using 'Fabian' and 'Progressive' interchangeably for the goal of International Socialism. Judge them by their behaviour, here are the 'Progressives', the International Socialists at work, <Overseas bikies move in as Palaszczuk reviews gang laws International gangs are taking advantage of Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s soft stance on outlaw crime groups, as the government “reviews” tough laws designed to disrupt and target violent bikies. Up to eight global motorcycle gangs have set up chapters in southeast Queensland, with the drugs trade between the Gold Coast and Brisbane considered to be a magnet. Gangs originating in New Zealand, The Netherlands, The Philippines, the US and Puerto Rico have established a presence on the Gold Coast and northern NSW after local groups such as the Finks, Mongols and Bandidos were weakened under a Newman government crackdown. The Indonesia-based leader of notorious Dutch gang Satudarah, who has claimed the Australian arm of the gang is not involved in criminal activities, was detained and later released at the Gold Coast airport when he recently visited Australia. His Gold Coast-based northern NSW chapter members have been promoting their brand on social media, as have members of the gang’s affiliated La Familia club, who have set up in Brisbane. Surfers Paradise MP and Deputy Opposition Leader John-Paul Langbroek said Police Minister Bill Byrne must take urgent action to stop international gangs “rolling into” Queensland. After a series of bikie-linked brawls and shootings, the opposition has attacked the government’s handling of the controversial Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act.> [The Australian] Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 14 May 2016 2:21:15 PM
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"Liberal Democrats Senator for NSW David Leyonhjelm is delighted to announce that the future of shooting sports in Sydney is assured after a 50-year lease of the ANZAC Rifle Range at Malabar was signed by the NSW Rifle Association yesterday.
Senator Leyonhjelm made this a priority from day one of his tenure as Senator in 2014, and used it as a bargaining chip with the government on key pieces of legislation.
this brings to an end 20 years of legal action and uncertainty
Senator Leyonhjelm said this brings to an end 20 years of legal action and uncertainty over the Malabar Range which has wasted public money, stalled local planning, and forced shooters not to upgrade their facilities....."
Read more at http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/latest/anzac-range-secure-for-50-years#oPg0iL0FaEPTEaTB.99