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Manus Island, Illegal.

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Hey Suseonline,
I'll admit it probably comes across that way, which is why I accepted Paul1405's comment as geniune and accepted speech, and I support his right to speak his mind.
I know I can be blunt and sometimes harsh but I'm hardly going to be a hypocrite that gives criticism but can't take it.

Often I agree with what you guys say, I just don't run to give you all a pat on the back for reassurance every time it happens, and also I have less inclination to comment at all when others have already expressed my point of view.
As a result, just as often as I make reasonable genuine responses I also find myself responding or reacting to something stupid that someone said, which is why I probably seem harsh a lot of the time.

I'm not that bothered if people were think I'm harsh, blunt, stubborn or opinionated, but I would not like to them to think of me as being unfair or unreasonable.

Just the way I am I guess.

As for the people drowning on their way to Australia, I'm not responsible for the problems in their countries or the reasons why they come, but saying that doesn't mean I want them to drown in the ocean.
If its a matter of expenditure then I have to weigh up the life of an Australian on a hospital waiting list against the needs of a foreigner who has never contributed anything.
Next I don't think its right that these people should be forced to live in inhumane conditions if thats what the detention centres are, but that doesn't mean I advocate for turning them loose either.
If these people hate us after the way they have been treated in those centres then whether they are genuine refugees or not they have become the EXACT people we don't want coming here, ones that might hold a grudge against us (and this might be our fault).
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 29 April 2016 8:38:49 AM
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Paul1405,
The motive behind my comment was this:
'We can let them in, but we might end up regretting it, and we might end up hating those that helped to destroy the fabric of our nation by letting them in more than the foreigners themselves.'

Can you honestly say that these gangs of Somalians running around Melbourne with machete's was smart forward thinking?
And every other foreign minority group now telling us how we should and should not live in our own country?
Politically Correct - YES
Good Idea - HELL NO

Honestly, I'm more concerned with some of the people the government allows to fly into the country legally.
I do genuinely think we need to find a better way to manage the refugee issue.
I'd give them a choice between food, water, shelter and a job (on national infrastructure projects that are too expensive for us to to on our own) paying whatever pittance they earn in their country (on a temporary basis so they go back home when its safe to do so) or a ticket to somewhere else.

I don't assume to put guilt trips onto Australian taxpayers and manipulate them into thinking its their job to fix the worlds problems, or of our country to be a half way house to support the planets homeless and persecuted.
I'm not going to support any policy that dilutes nationalism, culture or sovereignty, or makes us the minority in our own country.
I believe that its foreigners job to integrate into our country when they come here.
It's not our job to sell our soul and assimilate into where they came from.
If where they came from was so good why did they leave and come here?
I put the integrity of Australia and of Australian people first.
Call me racist if you want (even though you would be wrong) but I'm never going to apologise for it.
Doing so would be the same as burning the flag, which is what I assume some of you people would like me to do.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 29 April 2016 9:01:14 AM
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AC: Next I don't think its right that these people should be forced to live in inhumane conditions if that's what the detention centres are,

The Detention Centres, often Criticized by the UNCHR, are like luxury Hotels compared to what the UNCHR provides.

The Refugees themselves have poor personal & social hygiene skills. I do suspect that any filthy conditions they live in, is purely the fault of the Refugees, along with the urging of the Greenies to make the place look bad for a photo oportunity.

Australia spent big money to make the places comfortable for them then they rioted & wrecked the places. No Sympathy.
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 29 April 2016 9:10:37 AM
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Posted by Armchair Critic,

< I believe that its foreigners job to integrate into our country when they come here.

It's not our job to sell our soul and assimilate into where they came from.

If where they came from was so good why did they leave and come here?
I put the integrity of Australia and of Australian people first.
Call me racist if you want (even though you would be wrong) but I'm never going to apologise for it.>

Could not have put it better myself. Though, I think I have said the very same thing many times over many Posts.
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 29 April 2016 10:41:27 AM
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Armchair, you are now presenting a more moderate and reasonable outlook to the problems of refugees. I may be older that you, but not unnaturally immigrants to Australia from Southern Europe post WWII were treated by many with suspicion, and at times with outright hostility. The refo's as they were called post war, were somewhat ethnically and culturally closer to native born Australians, than most of the migrant mix of today. The only real modern day test we can apply is the Vietnamese refugees we took in the 1970's after the war in that country. Pleasingly most of the children of those early Vietnamese refugees have assimilated well into Australian society, as did the children of Greeks and Italians etc before them. Hopefully, and there are some encouraging signs, the children of today's immigrants will assimilate just as well, given time.
None of the above is a direct answer to the problems we face here and now.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 29 April 2016 11:31:59 AM
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Dear Paul,

I've just read the following link.

It's worth a read.

http://newmatilda.com/2016/04/28/peter-dutton-is-facing-a-crisis-of-his-own-making/
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 April 2016 12:34:55 PM
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