Some of us think we follow the Yanks , the guys with an eagle holding arrows.
Greek-Romans were in south India 2100 years ago and in north Bali Indonesia. A king in Tamil Nadu wore a Roman helmet on his coins.The legions followed Jupiter whose eagle of the Aquila eagle constellation carried his thunderbolts. Victoria goddess of Victory is on a coin with Jupiter.
A king from Java escaped an attack in 1222 and went to land of gods, disappeared without trace. Bundjalung people of north NSW remember that a boat arrived and the men gave laws to countries.

..In Australian Aboriginal mythology, in Victoria, Bunjil the eagle is a creator deityand made laws..Bunjil became the star Altair.
..Altair is also known as Alpha Aquilae in the constellation Aquila the Eagle.
Bunjil's name is given to the palnet Jupiter which our people believe is Bunjil's campfire.

..The eagle (Aquila) was the bird of Jupiter. Aquilifer: ensign of a Roman legion who carried the eagle.

Weapons were used against intruders and the law arranged for a welcome ceremony when ceremonial spears were snapped to indicate peace. Like arrows and olive branch in the claws of the US eagle.
The US now follows Australia's lead in defending democracy and liberty for freedom-loving justice in Jupiter we trust.

What?
I want whatever he's on!

The boat landed at Yamba.NSW. The strong god there is Mahaji which means respected lord in Indonesia. The expression Mahadev Mahaji means god Shiva in Marathi language, India. The king Kertajaya in Java declared himself to be Shiva ( when previous kings just represented him). He told his Hindu and Buddhist priests to worship him and they were outraged and led Ken Arok to attack. Kertajaya had a naval and merchant fleet which had been sailing to west Papua. Bundjalung people say the men on the boat gave laws to countries. The Clarence river leads to Tenterfield region from where headwaters flow to the Darling river. Bourke area was getting greenstone axes from near Melbourne where Bunjil is the eagle of Jupiter and the Eagle constellation.

Actually Suse, I really don't think you do.

Agreed Bugsy!

The Kadimarkara of lake Eyre seems to be the makara of Indonesia.
Sanskrit kadhi means ocean , so kadimarkara is ocean crocodile.

... fossil animals or reptiles which are found in the deltas of the rivers emptying themselves into Lake Eyre, and which the Dieri called Kadimarkara.

(Non-marine sediments of the Lake Eyre Basin in the north of the state contain diverse vertebrate faunas of Tertiary age, including lungfish, crocodiles and strange marsupials.)

Kakakudana and the Origin of the Mound Springs: A Legend of the Urabunna Tribe

This legend professes to account for the origin of the fossilised marsupials and other creatures which are found in several places in the Lake Eyre district, and also for that of the mound springs .. These fossils are called by the tribes-people Kadimarkara, creatures which in the Mura-mura times descended from the sky-country to the earth, by means of great trees which grew on the eastern shores of Lake Eyre, and supported the sky.

..Kakakudana lived to the west of Lake Eyre. . At Pitalina he dug after a Kadimarkara, which he killed underground,. The place where he killed the Kadimarkara is marked by springs.

Sanskrit कधि माकर ocean crocodile : kadhi mAkara. "salt-water crocodile". Lake Eyre is a salt sea. Indonesian language is about 50% Sanskrit words.

Makara (Sanskrit: मकर) is a sea-creature in Hindu mythology._ wiki

..The mythological sea creature Makara can be found in many ancient temples in Indonesia, often depicted at a temple's entrance gate.

Old Javanese. makara (Skt a kind of sea-monster, sometimes confounded with the crocodile, shark, dolphin etc.; regarded as the emblem of Kāmadewa; represented as an ornament on gates ) .
: sculpture in makara shape on buildings (temple, bathing-place etc), often serving as waterspout; also waterspout in other shapes .
(Skt) the 10th sign of the zodiac (Capricorn)

.......no offense Nick, but your thread seems to give answers, but the question is missing.

Total nut-job!

It's known that about 300 Indonesian words are used in north Australia from visits by Macassan fishermen. There seem to be many examples of these words in SE Australia.
So the question would be : do you agree?
At Melbourne the tribal headmen and songmakers are ngurungaeta. This cheapo forum don't do web-quotes or Sanskrit text but Javanese negarane gita means country's song and Hindi nagara gita is temple-city song.
The boat which arrived at Yamba NSW came from Ngareenbil: overseas islands, and meaning your beloved countryman in Old Balinese language.
Negara was the Hindu government in Bali and across Australia , ngurra means the Law , elders' campsite or to hear and learn.

Ah Nick, your thread is about entymology. Given that, your premise may hold water for the Aboriginal language, but English is a West Germanic language that originated from Anglo-Frisian dialects so the Yanks don't come into it.

Dear all,

After reading the above I am now absolutely convinced that all you people on the Forum who have only had a vocational education (at the best!) actually wish you had been archaeologists, anthropologists, historians, or sociologists. I sympathise with your position because those are the things I really wanted to pursue ever since I was a child, instead of being something ordinary like an engineer, lawyer, architect, etc.

Either that or you only want to be a member of the LNP coalition government so that you can get your hands on one of those free fake $40K Rolexes.

Mr High Opinion of Himself..........you really are insecure............scurrying around the edges, proposing to arbitrate on others intellect.......at least professional clowns make you laugh with joy and not derision.

sonofgloin
The Yanks speak Latin not Frisian. E Pluribus Unum is an aboriginal expression , also Latin , meaning : a bloody bashing him.
The eagle is also a symbol of Jupiter, the Roman god associated with such affairs as government. From ancient times, the eagle has been used as a symbol of imperial might. As the Roman army marched across Europe, Africa, and Central Asia to establish their great empire, they did so under the Roman Imperial Eagle. In this way, the founders of America were identifying themselves with imperial Rome.

Crocodiles are not known around Goondiwindi and Walgett but legends there say crocodiles are the Kurrea . The educated people in this Forum can read this , others will have to wait.
.”.. two Garriya, crocodiles. . ... the crocodiles were swimming

there, at Narran Lake. …

.. the legend of – The Kurrea and the Warrior. ...... people do not camp near, or go into the water of, Boobera Lagoon. The men of the region could not swim in the lagoon, nor fish from its banks, nor paddle their canoes into the lagoon to hunt the ducks or swans without Kurrea coming up from the depths to devour them. This was a great problem for the local population that they were prohibited from hunting or gathering food from around the Boobera Lagoon for fear of the great Kurrea.

.. The gharial (Gavialis gangeticus), crocodile, native to India. The gharial is one of the longest of all living crocodilians, measuring up to 6.25 m (20.5 ft). The male has a distinctive boss at the end of the snout, which resembles an earthenware pot known as ghara. _ Wikipedia

..At the end of 2008, a 4-m female false gharial attacked and ate a

fisherman in central Kalimantan; his remains were found in the

gharial's stomach. This was the first verified fatal human attack

by a false gharial . They live in Sumatra , Java and Kalimantan.

nicknamenick,

I'm baffled as to what this has to do with elections.

Considering Alexander the Great conquered territory in India, the Greeks were certainly there, and as they were great explorers I wouldn't be at all surprised if a few made it as far as Bali. Not so the Romans, who were far more cautious at sea and instead concentrated on defending (and sometimes extending) their empire. But we know there was overland trade across Asia, and some sea based trade too.

The stuff about eagles is probably just coincidence. Being the biggest birds around, of course great significance was ascribed to them on whatever continent they were seen.

Hey Nick,
You do understand that they give you those pills for a reason?
Please go back on your medication...

nicknamenick

Stop acting like an engineer!

Aidan
I clicked the Cartoon box but they put it in Elections. The Yank Jupiter eagle was a deliberate choice as the Indonesian Jupiter is a choice of election . The stars called Aquila constellation could obviously be anything : emu , koala , billabong , etc. But they are called the eagle and are named in connection with Jupiter the god,and wives, with a crow / vulture also as a star .
Romans had trading ports in Tamil Nadu 2100 years ago and a Chera king there had coins of himself in a Roman helmet.
There can be co-incidences but I'm trying to show there are so many that the legend about a boat from Indonesia may be true.
So in Yorta Yorta language on the Murray , the man Bunjil has a campfire ,the star Jupiter , which is called : Bunjil. Manu is the word for campfire. It means a man ,as in Manu the Hindu father of humans after the Flood. The modern Yorta expression for Jesus is : Manutha Wanda , as in Old Javanese : manusia wanda . man . reverence . Sanskrit : manusya vandana has that meaning.
The legend of the Murray river and its Dhungalla, Dhamala, Munarra terms are possibly Sanskrit.
The creator of the Darling river seems to copy the Matsya Purana text of Hindus about Manu , and the book was known in Indonesia . The warrior rode a fast raft of reeds called Lalangenggal. Balinese : lalang . reeds .
enggal . fast.
(They even spell these the same ).

When Alexander, The Great, conquered India the Indian Sultan gave Alexander three of his daughters. They had three sons & when they grew up the Sultan said to them to find their own kingdoms. They set out in a huge fleet towards the East Indies complete with retainers & an Army. One settled in Penang or George Town, another settled in Jakarta & settled a War between two local Princes. He became the new Sultan. The last one found an Island at the end of the Malay Peninsula & saw a huge fish with a Lions head. This was a sign that he was to settled in what is now Singapore & built a huge stone City. The remains of which Raffles found when he founded Singapore.

Apart from that I don't see the Greek or Roman Connection with the East Indies area. From the mouth of the Lion Fish.

Steve
Start your own discussion please.
JayB
In the 1st cent BCE there were ships in Bali with ceramics from Tamil Nadu where Romans had a port with dry-dock for ship repairs. There were also gold rings of a type which had Kharosthi script from Greek Bactria in India.
Sembiran and Pacung on the north coast of Bali: a strategic ...

www.academia.edu/.../Sembiran_and_Pacung_on_the_north_coast_of_B...

Sembiran and Pacung on the north coast of Bali: a strategic crossroads for early ..... Mainland Southeast Asian, Indian and Roman glass New chemical .... A Sembiran potsherd inscribed with characters in Kharoshthi script (Ardika 1991: 55, fig.

Actually, I think I have worked it out !
Nick & Steve are somebodies artificial intelligence program that has
gone berserk.

Please come back from lunch and shut it down !

In your opinion , Bazz , opinion should be shut down?
The planet Jupiter, thunder and god went to Java and Bali.
Here is an Indonesian opinion which was shut down:
sebagai Batara Guru menyebabkan Kertajaya cuba menindas mereka.
It means : king Kertajaya as god Shiva was oppressing them.
He is the nut-job who escaped and maybe went to Oz.
In Old Java and Bali languages , guruh means thunder.

Old Java. guru. (Skt) venerable person, (spiritual) preceptor, teacher, planet Jupiter.
Bhatara Guru = Siwa . Shiva.

Bazz>> Actually, I think I have worked it out !
Nick & Steve are somebodies artificial intelligence program that has
gone berserk.<<

Bazz has nailed it...........

SOG: Bazz>> Actually, I think I have worked it out !
Nick & Steve are somebodies artificial intelligence program that has
gone berserk.<< Bazz has nailed it...........

I think Bazz has definitely got it right.

The beserk spam robot NZ government spy-phish say that Maoris used canoes.
At that time, Kertajaya of Kediri had some paddle-boats:
An inscription from his reign (dated 1181) bears witness .. the high-ranking officials mentioned in this inscription, there is a title "Senapati Sarwwajala," or laksmana, a title reserved for a navy general, suggesting that Kediri had a naval fleet.

The last king of Kediri was Kertajaya (reigned 1200-1222). Srivijaya and Kediri

Kediri managed to gain control of spice trade routes to eastern Spice Islands (Maluku).

In the Chinese book Chu-fan-chi, written around 1200, Chou-Ju-Kua relates that in the Southeast Asia archipelago there were two powerful and rich kingdoms: Srivijaya and Java (Kediri).
The book Chu-fan-chi mentioned that Java was ruled by a maharaja, who ruled over several colonies: ), Tung-ki (Jenggi, West Papua), ), Huang-ma-chu (Southwest Papua), ), (Tanjungpura in Borneo), Ti-wu (Timor), Pingya-i (Banggai in Sulawesi), and Wu-nu-ku (Maluku).

Dear sonofgloin,

I don't know why you are knocking nicknamenick for seeming at bit odd. He seems to be on exactly the same level as you.

Garuda eagle is the mount (vahana) of the Lord Vishnu. The Trimurti system has Brahma as the creator, Vishnu as the maintainer or preserver, and Shiva as the transformer or destroyer.

Garuda is the Hindu name for the constellation Aquila.
Garuda's wings are said to have a span of many miles and when a Garuda's wings flap, they create hurricane-like winds that darken the sky and blow down houses.They are also capable of tearing up entire banyan trees from their roots and carrying them off.

In Bali, we can find the tallest Garuda statue of 18 metres tall made from tons of copper and brass. The statue is located in Garuda Wisnu Kencana complex. Garuda Indonesia is the flag carrier of Indonesia.

Bunjil the eagle (or eaglehawk) is a creator deity in Victoria.
Crow opened a bag in which he kept his whirlwinds, creating a cyclone which uprooted trees. Bunjil and his people were blown upwards into the sky. Bunjil himself became the star Altair in the constellation Aquila and his two wives, the black swans, became stars on either side.
Eagle is a 23-metre tall sculpture in Melbourne by Bruce Armstrong, inspired by Bunjil.

Mr O >>Dear sonofgloin,
I don't know why you are knocking nicknamenick for seeming at bit odd. He seems to be on exactly the same level as you.<<

Mr O, stop it please, this erudite piece of wit along with your repetitive witticism about engineers cause my sides to split.....

Jupiter and his eagle of military power is seen in Garuda eagle.

Throughout the Mahabharata, Garuda is invoked as a symbol of impetuous violent force, of speed, and of martial prowess. Powerful warriors advancing rapidly on doomed foes are likened to Garuda swooping down on a serpent.Defeated warriors are like snakes beaten down by Garuda. The field marshal Drona uses a military formation named after Garuda. Krishna even carries the image of Garuda on his banner.

Indonesian Armed Forces United Nations peacekeeping missions is known as Pasukan Garuda or Garuda Contingent. .

Garuda's father was the creator-rishi Kasyapa. He had two wives, . Both laid eggs,, the hatching of two eggs of Vinata did not take place for a long time. Impatient, Vinata broke open one egg, which was half formed with the upper half only as a human and was thus deformed. , when Garuda first burst forth from his egg, he appeared as a raging inferno .. Frightened, the gods begged him for mercy. Garuda, hearing their plea, reduced himself in size and energy.

Bunjil rose into the sky and became a star.
There was a huge, ferocious emu called Tchingal. . He was hatching an enormous egg. Waa the crow decided to have a peck at the egg. He was pecking away quite happily when Tchingal returned..
..all the people travelled to collect his egg. It was so big
and heavy that no one could lift it until Babimbal the Wattlebird came along. He was very strong and managed to carry the egg to Horsham, . Babimbal had the honour of dishing it out, and in so doing he splashed himself with some of the yolk, creating the wattles on the side of his head. Before leaving, the Bram-bram-bult ordered the two emus to divide their large egg into several smaller ones in future, so they wouldn’t be as jealous of their one egg as Tchingal had been. In this way they hoped to keep the peace.

Well, at least it's interesting in a fun sort of way. eh. It's about time we all had a bit of a giggle. Life's to short to be overly serious all the time.

Yanks get serious if you giggle about their eagle even when it's compared with the Welsh dragon flag or the Pom Lion. Only the Oz kangaroo raises a grin . Philip Adams said the emu and roo on the national symbol have small heads and big bums.
So Lake Eyre has returned to the name of Kati Thanda : meeting place of bosses. Old Javanese kuti is : Buddhist monastery. Tanda is headman. Tantu is world-order. Buddhist temples in Java (where Kertajaya came from) have the makara crocodile as in Kardimakara of Lake Eyre , fossil crocodiles .
The language there is Ngarabana. Nagarabana means : temple group , in India. It is in : Gita Bahana , of Indonesia , the Song Choir. Negarane gita , Javanese : country's song, is seen in Ngurungaeta : song-maker of Melbourne.

you're a naughty boy Steve and I dobbed on you.
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The boat that arrived in Bundjalung on the Clarence river may have produced these legends:

People say that Dirrangan is a witch, that she's mean and cunning and brings you all the mischief in the world. Others say that she is friendly. But she's a very old woman and she has long hair down to her knees. Dirrangan's camp was under a big fig tree at the Dooloomi Falls which is the source of the Clarence River. She blocked the Falls to stop water flowing towards Grafton.

Old Java: dhira . firm, self possessed.
diri . stand upright, reign.
Modern Java: diri . yourself , individual.
Old Java : angharep . preparation.
angen . awe
angan . notion.
So Dirrangan could mean : Firm . notion.

In Australian Aboriginal mythology of the Bundjalung Nation, the Dirawong, an unseen spiritual creature also known as the goanna spirit, is one of the Creator Beings of the Bundjalung Nation, that 1) Protects 2) Guards, 3) Controls, and 4) Helps the people.
Dirawong attacked the bad Rainbow Snake who was like Steve.

Old Java : wong. person.
Dirawong then may be Firm. person

Does Qld have problems with Xray Radiology? A pigskull will be scanned after being struck by a sharp mulga-wood blade. It will need 6 months of being 'cleaned by insects' to allow the Xray. This follows ABC TV Catalyst 'Toorale skull' about a skull with a sword-cut dated 1200s, found on the Darling river. It could be physical evidence for Indonesian contact from Yamba north NSW. The need for an Xray suggests the pig didn't cop what the human skull did.
Warana festival in Brisbane means 'Blue skies'. Waruna in Bali is the ancient Indian sky-god Varuna , normally painted blue colour , from the root word *vr ' to cover everything'. He watches people , using stars as eyes and Bunjil has sun and moon eyes. Waruna punishes and destroys wrong-doers. Bunjil threw a star at Warrandyte Melbourne to punish wrong-doing by people. 'Warran' means : to throw. 'Dyte' is the thing thrown. Sanskrit : dyuti is :'shining', Javanese :'heavenly body' and in Victoria , duta /durt are : 'star'. So dyte may also be dyuti. Gold was found at Warrandyte leading to the 1851 gold-rush. Could the shattered star of Bunjil be how they explained the shining gold along the creek at Warrandyte? Was that a reason for Indonesians sailing south. Recently a large hoard of gold objects was found in Philippines from 10-11th centuries , and attributed to Indonesians who were gold-mining there.

Aidan....

nicknamenick,

"I'm baffled as to what this has to do with elections."

Everything. It comes down to who gets the last comment on this page. Once we reach about pages 25 to 30, whoever gets the most votes (in terms of pages) and also commonly known on this site as a 'new posters' is the winner.

So thank you nicknamenick, for bringing up such an important issue re elections. We as human beings appreciate your valued contribution.

NathanJ
You feel that ancient history is Current affairs ? It can't be General Discussion because every single comment has been a personal insult on me, you human being. Choosing to adopt Hindu /Buddhist teachings is an election , a deliberate policy be many elders' groups across SE Australia . They were humans , would you say Nathan , or maybe not? What terminology would you use ?

& they closed them. We've a right ol' candidate 'ere. eh mates.