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Learning and Speaking English Language

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Muslim children must learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time he must learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. The whole world belongs to Muslims.

I have always said, the more languages you know, the broader your cultural knowledge. Those who say you must only use one language narrow their perception of the world. Also, people who can learn languages are good at playing musical instruments. Languages should be taught more in school. When I speak in Arabic I feel like a poet and when in English, I feel like a philosopher.

Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 10% attend Muslim schools and more than 90% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies. This means the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school
Posted by Iftikhar, Monday, 22 February 2016 6:17:20 AM
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"Oh and btw "Our Culture" might be meat pies and Sunday BBQ's"

In one culture masculinity is expressed by killing and roasting helpless animals.
In the other culture masculinity is expressed by beating and stoning helpless women.

And both believe that they own the world.

Dear Iftikhar,

First you praised the Muslim school-system, where children turn out to be more balanced and tolerant and less criminal or extreme, then you say:

"There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school"

In other words, you want non-Muslim children to miss on this wonderful opportunity and remain susceptible to indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion. You want your children to be bilingual, but the others to remain mono-lingual.

Obviously being liked and accepted is not high on your priority list.

Dear Critic,

<<many say we don't have a culture, but that's the damn point>>

The point is that with no longer having a culture, you are unable to keep your children on the straight and narrow. The point is that many children fill this void with crime and radicalisation.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 22 February 2016 8:28:42 AM
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Iftikhar,

What an pile of garbage. You may have a particular agenda to push, but lying about it does not convince anyone.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 5:11:40 AM
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What does integrating mean? Muslims are not embracing western life'. What do we do? In our free time us English go down the pubs and get smashed, do the same in clubs, sleep with random people and as a result have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe.

Can anybody please tell me what integration means? other then speak English!The Jews did their best to integrate in Germany. They even took German names! Look how far it got them. If the Muslims try to integrate, the Germans/British will complain about the 'pollution' of their identity once again. I wonder how many English people were saying "Multi-Culturalism does not work" when they were busy invading and taking over other people's countries!? India, the Africa, the Americas, Australia, to name but a few. I wonder how many English people are saying "Multi Culturalism does not work" when they are busy sunning themselves in the south of Spain, speaking only English, eating in English restaurants, drinking in English bars, and complaining that not all Spaniards speak English!? Monkey see? Monkey do? And what is English culture, anyhow!? Our football teams are full of foreign players and some are owned by foreign owners, Christian Church attendance has dwindled, we love our curries (influenced by Indian food), we holiday abroad often...so I really would like somebody to define to me what is English culture, these days. If you mean by integration going down to the pub with the lads, getting drunk, picking up a few girls, and then on Sunday maybe going to church - then I'm sure that Muslims will not integrate.
Posted by Iftikhar, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 8:13:30 AM
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Iftikhar,

This shouldn't be an issue, even in Britain where you are - everybody who intends to stay in another country long-term should learn the local language. If I were to go and live in, say, Vietnam or Portugal for a number of years, I would obviously learn the local language, if possible to learn the basics before I got ghefre.

And Muslim women especially should be very strongly encouraged to learn English in Britain - in fact, they should be given some sort of study grant for doing so. I don't really care what the men do, but most certainly women and girls should be supported to get the best education they can, and to do that in Britain, they most certainly need English.

An article in today's Australian charts the course in the education of Malala Yousafzai's mother, an intelligent woman who was illiterate until recently, given the backward attitudes that Muslim society in Pakistan has towards women's education.

Educate the woman and you educate the entire family. Educate a family and you can educate the whole village. Women's education is the key to unlocking all that potential. Let the men sit around scratching their nuts all day, and being very important, if they like, but give the women a chance.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 8:17:35 AM
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Muslim schools 'must respect British values' says Jack Straw. Schools with large numbers of Muslim pupils must respect British values, former home secretary Jack Straw said.

The warnings came as Sir Michael Wilshaw, the head of Ofsted, took charge of the watchdog's probe into the so-called Trojan Horse plot to oust heads and governors and run schools according to strict Islamic principles. Another inquiry is being conducted by former anti-terrorism police chief Peter Clarke, who was appointed by Education Secretary Michael Gove.

At least five Birmingham schools face being put into special measures, while a sixth has already been failed. Tahir Alam, the plot's alleged ringleader, denies involvement.

Talha Ahmad, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: '[Mr Straw] talks about accepting that Britain has a set of values. I don't know of any decent Muslim who would disagree with that.'

To the people who are saying they checked Park Views website and the pupils are taught Arabic and Urdu in all years, it's rubbish my son goes there and has never done Arabic and Urdu he does French, it's up to each pupil to chose a language in their options, and NO they are not been forced to learn Arabic and Urdu, nor are the girls forced to wear a scarf if you go there you will see plenty of girls with no scarf again it's up to each individual.

Straw says Muslims must accept British values. Does this include, Mr Straw, the high divorce rate, the high abortion rate, high levels of out of wedlock birth rates, which often mean undeserved benefits for these unmarried mothers? Are these the values to be accepted Mr Straw? I THINK NOT!What British values? Corruption, lying and stealing by MPs, paedophilia and cover-ups. I am ashamed of this country and ashamed to be British! I don't remember Straw and his lot respecting British values....
Posted by Iftikhar, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 8:22:11 AM
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