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Paul1405,

You are right there, you certainly do have a considerable hide. The Greens in Qld for instance, are on the public record for demanding withdrawal of the highly successful VLAD law. That is against substantial public, business and police support for the legislation which was supported by the High Court.

As usual I will leave your Straw Man distractions and forum baiting to one side.

As for the white elephant NSW firearms registry that costs millions a year to operate but has never solved a crime, it is public knowledge and mentioned in the NSW parliament that corrupt police were among 16,000 people who had free access to the names, addresses and firearm details of every licensed firearm owner in NSW.

It is a matter of fact that the entire database of the NSW Police Firearms Registry was 'available to any sworn officer or unsworn civilian employee for at least two and a half years (from 2008 to 2011), a period during which a number of police employees were exposed and charged with serious criminal offences'.

What better way of compromising the safety of every licensed person and his/her loved ones? Once compromised there is no way of recovering the situation. The personal information wasn't even classified. In fact it was unclassified! Imagine if it was one's Tax File Number, but giving far more information.

Of course had the lack of security of personal information affected criminals the Greens would be outraged and demanding that heads roll. As shown by Labor and the Greens in Queensland, bikies and organised crime figures have RIGHTS. It is just that Labor and the Greens are casual and frivolous where law-abiding citizens and victims of crime are concerned. Just as they are ignoring the Royal Commission findings on the CFMEU and others they happen to be in bed with.

Now, what about you give an example where the gun registry has solved a crime?
Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 15 February 2016 7:23:20 AM
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Where are the posts on all the crimes solved?

I was so looking forward to some interesting reading.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 12:29:20 AM
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Beach, if as you claim <<It is a matter of fact that the entire database of the NSW Police Firearms Registry was 'available to any sworn officer or unsworn civilian employee for at least two and a half years (from 2008 to 2011), a period during which a number of police employees were exposed and charged with serious criminal offences'.>> Has that situation been rectified, in the ensuing 5 years, if so that should allay your fears, However that does not diminish the importance of a gun registers. Your extreme views of favoring no gun control laws what so ever is nothing short of a recipe for disaster. To add, how many people were charged with unlawfully accessing the gun register and using it to commit serious crime?

Is Mise, like driving licences do not directly prevent road carnage, and you can not quantify how many lives are saved each year because we have a driving licence system in place, but it is fair to say licences do save lives. A gun register is much the same, it is a way of tracking who has what, and that in itself is a deterrent for some. I and others rest a little easier at night knowing a gun register is there helping to protect the community from people with guns. A register is not the be all and end all, but a piece that forms that much needed umbrella of protection for the community from the gun happy brigade.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 6:01:43 AM
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Meanwhile, in Victoria and coming to a street near you and earlier for your children at entertainment venues where drugs are as available as bottled water,

"Secret informer links Victoria's most powerful bikie boss Amad 'Jay' Malkoun with suspected firearms traffickers

VICTORIA'S most powerful bikie boss has been linked to a group of suspected firearms traffickers by a secret police informer.

In a rare glimpse inside the secretive world of arms dealing, the Herald Sun has uncovered allegations that Comancheros boss Amad "Jay" Malkoun has links with individuals who police suspect may be illicit gun runners.

In allegations raised with police, a private jet pilot who is an associate of Malkoun is alleged to have used the plane to traffic weapons for the Comancheros.

It is alleged the pilot is also an associate of underworld figure Mick Gatto, who is himself a mate of Malkoun.

Another Malkoun associate who owns nightclubs around Melbourne is considered by police to have had potential involvement in arms smuggling.

Outlaw motorcycle gangs are considered by law enforcement to be key players in the illicit firearms trade. Gatto claims to have no involvement in gun running.

Police have been told that outlaw motorcycle gangs are dealing in Uzis, M16s and M25 sniper rifles.

Police around the country have warned outlaw bikie gangs are a threat, dealing in extortion, drug running and money laundering."
http://tinyurl.com/hhwkuu3

Howard's 'gun control' is a morass of non-productive bureaucratic procedures, paperwork and fees directed at the respectable, law-abiding, licensed citizens who are already known not to offend.

It has had no effect whatsoever on criminals, obviously.

tbc
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 6:17:27 AM
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continued..

It is ludicrous that police in weapons branches and in short-staffed local stations are wasting their time and everyone else's, recording and red-flagging ordinary citizens on police computers as 'persons of interest', printing reams of forms to complete, continually looking over their shoulders and conducting random, fully uniformed raids on their homes to inspect and interrogate.

It is regulations based on evidence that is required. The resource-intensive, time-wasting, non-productive bureaucratic busywork of Howard's 'gun control' was always a political sham: bunting to cover-up for the lack of a Royal Commission into Port Arthur; and, to distract from poor political decisions, examples being the closure and sale of C'wealth mental health facilities and inadequacies policy and planning.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 6:18:31 AM
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Aw gee, Paul, and here was I and lots of others believing that Firearm Registries helped to solve crime.
Does that mean that the claims, when they were set up, about how they would help solve crime, were nothing more than political hot air?

Maybe that's why the Canadians (whose model we adopted) abolished their Firearms Registery as a money wasting failure.

If it didn't work in Canada why would it work here?

The various motor registries have helped solve crimes.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 3:35:22 PM
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