Since I posted the statistics of 312 gun shooting victims in Chicago yesterday, I may as well post them again today.

Today's stats - 335 shooting victims.
That's 23 people who were shot in Chicago since yesterday.
Gun laws are working good aren't they?

That should be a sassy back chatting checkout chick, don't want to shoot the wrong people.

In Arkansas to get a 5 year concealed gun carry self protection permit, all you basically have to do is declare allegiance to the United States and the Arkansas constitution, then the state coppers will give you your permit. Not sure if you have to hold your hand over you heart or not, like the Yanks do on TV, while you say it, and I don't know if there is a fee, maybe its free.

Mhaze, who has said the knife murders were caused by guns?
You are getting a little silly now.

We all know that when Is Mise thought up this thread, he really wanted a discussion on guns.
He is fixated on guns....along with comrade Onthebeach....

Ah Chicago, I remember it fondly.

When my wife and I were staying there with a friend once, we went to a liquor store and as we were walking to the counter to pay, we caught the tail end of a conversation between the shop assistant and a young man of African American appearance. It seems the young man was under age (21) and didn't have ID so the shop assistant refused to serve him alcohol. The young man shouted as he was leaving, "You punk ass b**ch ass b**ch, I'm comin' back, I'm comin' back with a gun!"

The blood drained from the shop assistant's face. We decided to pay quickly and go. A short time later we had to pass the liquor store again, this time there were several police cars parked outside. They take it very seriously when you threaten someone with a gun, even if you don't actually have one on your person at the time.

Ah, what a wonderful time it was to feel so safe in a country that has so many guns in it. I'm sure I would felt even safer if I knew that it would become easier for even more people to carry firearms so that they could protect me.

The elephant in the room is that it is 'Afro-American' Culture, Black Culture that sees offence taken quickly, as a routine and even minor disagreements resolved with violence.

Acting out as a Negro American who has the right to do so because of discrimination against long dead relatives he likely didn't know or care about. -Otherwise than as a present-day excuse for self entitlement, sloth and crime.

The awful, inconvenient truth for that self-promoting, cultural BS artist Obama, is that Afro-American culture, easily recognisable (and deliberately so) by their separatism encouraged by meddling leftists and their social experimentation, IS trivial, slack, blaming (blaming others!) and always violent and self-defeating.

Obama is as separate and fearful of that Black Culture as working and usually well-educated Aborigines are of their 'long-grassing' extended relatives in Australia. In the US there has always been a bifurcation between the person with Black (or whatever) heritage who has pride in himself and is responsible for his own choices and the self-indulgent, excuse-making, lazy, dependent and violent mob.

Of course it is much easier for the slick, fast-talking Barack Obama to now launch upon 'gun culture' as his excuse for achieving SFA for Afro-American ferals who have a tradition of wreaking mayhem, especially against the claimed 'Bros'.

Frankly, what can be done from the outside to change a culture within a culture, particularly where so many who are part of it o are earning their daily bread as social change 'consultants' have a vested in it remaining as it is and worsening.

Otherwise, there is nothing that prevents Afro-Americans from taking responsibility and choosing a different path in life. That would require shedding those excuses, victimhood (their choice, again) and self-entitlement though.

Just as in Australia many thousands of indigenous are making the right choices for themselves and their families, and locking out those 'long-grassing' distant relatives who would molest their women and children is part of that.

Paul,

You are confusing Illinois law with Chicago law, Chicago is in Illinois but Chicago City law takes precedence over the State law.

Criminals in Chicago, just like criminals in Sydney, take no notice of the gun laws.

Suse,

I'm not fixated on guns but rather on the right of citizens to self defence.
I started this thread to illustrate the fact that the media in this country are biased, had the victims been shot there would have been immediate coverage and the Greens would have been on the bandwagon screaming for more gun control but as it was the knife it was ignored.