Fox,

The homosexual marriage theme is always there where you are concerned. Despite the inventive sly backdoor ways you use to disguise it and tediously work your way around to home on it. See here,

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16442&page=3

Anyhow, just taking that example of the umpteen spruiks you have made over and over and over years, you and ors of a similar ilk have never proved:

- any abuse of homosexual 'rights' occasioned by the existing Marriage Act. Fact is, if there was any discrimination as you claim, the President of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, would have been all over it like a fat kid with a packet of Smarties now the LNP is in government and certainly while Tony Abbott was PM' and,

- secondly, why the few percent of the few percent of homosexuals in the population cannot use another term for their unions. There is nothing to prevent them from doing that.

Nothing said either of the many homosexuals, likely the silent majority, who never wanted the State to regulate their personal affairs, which was arranged behind closed doors entirely without public consultation while Labor was in government.

Now the same leftist 'Progressives' want to overturn the Marriage Act and 'just because'. However, the same idealists are also trenchant critics of marriage and would get rid of it if they could.

There is no way in hell these leftist elitists would be occupying themselves with the problems of 'Struggle Streets' though and nor do they ever own up to the negative consequences of their social meddling.

Dear onthebeach,

Foxy has already drawn a line under this discussion.

But since you are still online it does give me an opportunity to answer your question. No, I am not a member of Engineers Australia. I was a Grad member in my early days but got out of it. And I won't be going back because I have since advanced myself above that level.

OTB,

I have no control over your interpretations
concerning any of my postings - past and present.
You keep on making all sorts of accusations
which are totally skewed. You don't
read what I actually did say.

I refuse to be drawn into your paranoid
obsessions - be they about Leftists, Gays,
Feminists, Socialists, Fabians, the Labor
Party, Progressives, et cetera.
I don't put labels on people, even though
I could assign quite a few appropriate ones
to you.

In any case
I can't help you with whatever's eating you.
They must be suffering terribly.
You need professional help and I'm sick and tired
of trying to consistently explain things to
you. I've never met anyone with so much hatred
inside them as you have.

Seriously, get professional help.
It just may raise the bar of this forum.

Dear Foxy,

Thanks for letting us in on that. I thought onthebeach was just another knucklehead engineer. After reading your comments I am realising that he is actually a crackpot deluded twisted nonsensical knucklehead engineer.

Dear Mr opinion.

The art of reasoned, intelligent debate is a
skill not easily acquired.

No one likes or supports an abusive, illogical
debater.

Dearest Foxy,

You started off this thread writing " .... I don't want to make this discussion simply about Gay marriage."

Well, thank goodness for that.

There have been homosexual liaisons since long before David and Jonathan, but in no society in the world, at ay time, have such liaisons been recognised a marriages. Surely that counts for something.

In every language, the word 'marriage' has signified a socially-sanctioned relationship between a man and at least one woman. In more enlightened societies, and as the notion of romantic love has evolved, this definition has become predicated on the dedication of one woman and one man to each ogther.

Now that other forms of relationship are legal, perhaps it is time to find new words for them. I don't see what's wrong with 'union', or 'long-term liaison' or 'bonding'.

But I can't say that I've ever been all that interested in homosexual issues. Having been dashingly handsome as a youth, I suppose I got my fair share of hands up the thigh from blokes who I thought were friends, but who seemed to want more than friendship. I hope they found it.

But leave marriage alone. Find your own word, Nancy !

Love,

Joe