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Posted by Aidan, Monday, 1 February 2016 4:16:00 PM
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Dear Aidan,
The reason I went on to do Arts degrees was because I thought I could do better with my life than be an engineer. Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 1 February 2016 6:34:49 PM
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Engineers have been responsible for every created device you use today, they use the physics available to them to move mountains and launch man into the universe, and create medical machinery. They do not just talk about things they are creators and developers that have improved our lives.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 1 February 2016 7:21:58 PM
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Mr Opinion, "The reason I went on to do Arts degrees was because I thought I could do better with my life than be an engineer"
That is reasonable. Most engineers move onto something else and are very valuable, especially with their project management skills. BTT Posted by onthebeach, Monday, 1 February 2016 7:39:28 PM
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Mr Opinion,
There is a difference between the Chinese Culture and the recent Regime in power. The Taiwan population do not accept the Regime and if you understand Tienanmen square protests the population is not happy with the regime either and its flag. http://time.com/2822290/tiananmen-square-massacre-anniversary/ Posted by Josephus, Monday, 1 February 2016 7:42:58 PM
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Dear Mr Opinion,
"The reason I went on to do Arts degrees was because I thought I could do better with my life than be an engineer." That sounds like an amazing achievement if you could accomplish it! Did you? If so, how? Posted by Aidan, Monday, 1 February 2016 7:47:45 PM
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"You have just demonstrated that you have the typical level of education that one expects to see in an engineer."
If you mean the capability to think and argue logically, that's true. But perhaps more significantly, it's something you've failed to demonstrate. Have you forgotten what you learned in your engineering degree?
If you're implying that I lack education beyond "the typical level of education that one expects to see in an engineer" then I have demonstrated no such thing, and any assumption to the contrary is due to a lack of comprehension on your part.
"Why do you think I decided to do Arts degrees after completing my engineering degree?"
Either because you found you couldn't get work as an engineer or you found working as an engineer dull (possibly because engineering wasn't really your vocation but you'd been pushed by someone else into studying it). But you liked uni and there were no fees in those days, so you decided to study something completely different.
Am I right?
"Most engineers I have worked with over a long period acknowledge that they have only been educated to perform in their chosen profession."
Are you sure that refers to the extent of, rather than the reason for, their education?
"If I want to know about the past, or about a particular culture, or about social behaviour, etc., the last person I would approach for an explanation is an engineer."
It would make sense to go to someone who specialises in whatever you want to know about, but an engineer is more likely to give you a good answer than a random person.
"In a nutshell, engineers are anti-intellectual and illiberal. That's what makes them engineers."
No they aren't and it isn't. What makes them engineers is the abilities they have, many of which they acquire when doing an engineering degree. I can understand why you might jump to the conclusion that engineers may be illiberal (you're not the first conflate the different meanings of 'tolerance') but why do you think engineers are anti-intellectual?