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Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 7 December 2015 4:19:58 PM
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Armchair Critic you're absolutely right. Here are some of the leaders whose regimes were secular, who kept the Moslems strictly under control, and whom the Yanks and their allies deposed or are seeking to depose, opening the way eventuality for Islamic terrorism and tyranny:
Mohammed Mossadeq in Persia Gamel Abdul Nasser in Egypt Mohammad Najibullah in Afghanistan Saddam Hussein in Iraq Moamar Gaddafi in Libya Bashir al Assad in Syria Any I've left out? Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 7 December 2015 5:05:44 PM
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Hi Jules,
Even if the Yanks were pure evil incarnate, I don't recall that they overthrew Nasser (heart attack - 1970 ?) or Bashar al Assad (heart attack - 2000). Najibullah was on a hiding to nothing after the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan, and inevitably was strung up. Castrated and mutilated first, by the mujahideen. I wouldn't have described either Saddam or Gaddafi as democrats, interested in the welfare of their own people. Yes, they were secular, not Islamist but it's swings and roundabouts in Middle Eastern countries. Yes, that leaves Mossadegh. You could have added that the Shah's secret police, SAVAK, murdered him in Paris (from memory) in the 1960s. No, Wikipedia says he died at 85 under house arrest: I'm thinking of one of the post-Shah leaders, Shahpour Bakhtiar, murdered in Paris by the ayatollahs' secret police in 1991. Probably the same police. With brutal regimes, it's not common for leaders to die of old age in their beds. That's the game they play, so no mysteries. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 7 December 2015 9:53:54 PM
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I would not suggest any on my list, with the possible exception of the elected patriot Mohammed Mossadeq, was a democrat. However, they all (especially the ones who were not democrats) successfully if brutally suppressed elements motivated by Islam, and the Yanks and their allies (including the UK in the case of Mossadeq and the UK and Israel in the case of Nasser and France in the case of Gaddafi) sought (successfully in the case of Najibullah and Gaddafi) to depose the others. The CIA funded, trained and built the mujihadeen who deposed Najibullah and went on, after a round of internecine warfare, to spawn the Taliban which shielded Al Qa'eda who were wanted in America for (so Cheney & Co claimed) levelling the Twin Towers. Far from having died of a heart attack, Bashar al Assad leads the Syrian state to this very day against the gaggle of vile Moslem terrorist outfits whom the Yanks are arming and supporting in the hope of ousting Assad rather than empowering Syrian people to decide which is what the Russians are demanding. As for Saddam, he was deposed in an act of Yank aggression based on a tissue of lies echoed by Bliar and Howard.
The complexities can be unpicked endlessly but the upshot is that the Moslem terrorist rampage was Made in the USA through its wars against every regime that jumped on the Moslems' fingers whenever they appeared under the door. So now the enemy's fingers have worked their way under OUR doors here and in Europe and inside the USA itself. This is a monstrous miscalculation by PNAC idiots who have been so focused on their own narrow and historically ephemeral geostrategic interests that they have unleashed a force with 14 centuries of unmitigated misanthropic evil behind it Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 4:08:15 PM
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Tony Abbott is copping a flurry of flak from the grovellers for the only intelligent remarks I have ever known him to make on any issue[1]
I’d set even more store, though by the remarks of the British commentator Pat Condell [2] following one of the Moslems’ rent-a-mob riots – a video but only five minutes and bang-on from beginning to end. [1] http://tenplay.com.au/news/national/december/abbott-makes-divisive-comments-on-islam [2] https://dotsub.com/media/72457cbc-fe18-4053-ae3f-6c7639cf4e79/embed/ Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 8:50:59 PM
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Yes the reaction to Tony Abbotts statement had the expected hysterical
response. Any time he has said Boo the left and all the usual rabble would go off. It is about time someone said it as it is. Perhaps now he is not PM he can be undiplomatic. Malcolm Turnbull should be glad that someone is speaking out as it relieves him of having to say it some time down the track. I think we may have crossed a line in the sand since the Paris attack. It has become noticeably less politically incorrect to speak out. Funerals have that effect. I doubt if the left and the media left understand what has happened. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 10:01:43 PM
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The dhimmis in Australia rush to the side of Islam with cries of "racism" (Islam is not a race!) and especially "bigotry". Bigotry is the main problem with Islam, a relentless bigotry towards all of us (including the "useful idiots" who while failing to believe the message in the Moslems' "holy books" or accept Mohammed as a "prophet" ask us to accept it with open arms).
The Moslems' own "holy books" demonstrate that Islam is BIGOTRY ON STEROIDS. This is shown in fully referenced detail, taken from the Koran and the Hadiths ([2[) by scholars who have studied it and is well worth a read by all, especially those who although non-believers think the global march of Islam is ooau such a boooah.
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-french-regional-elections-the-remarkable-resilience-of-the-far-right
[2] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm