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Guns - Are Australians rearming themselves by stealth ?

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Is Mise, shame on you. That may have well been her husband Angelo's livelihood until a vicious gun crazed murderer seen fit to extinguish his life forever. I am not personally in favor of violent video games, but not only has the woman been denied her loving husband through a violent act of a gun crazy, but some would also deny her a livelihood as well.
Aaron Robinson the animal who murdered Angelo is now a free man, having been paroled in 2011. Unlike the Cusumano family who will never be free.

Some are happy to see others killed to satisfy their selfish indulgence with guns!

Police found a gun on the bus carrying a hard right racists group from 'Reclaim Australia'. Is it the intention of some from the extreme fringe to form, as one poster favors, a 'Citizens Militia' or better still a private gun toting army! it may well be their undisclosed agenda.

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!..PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 7 November 2015 5:44:45 AM
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Paul,

Rather a pity that your demo was a fizzer, didn't even seem to get a mention on the ABC.
I think that many would feel that it's a bit ironic that the lady would come out against the Adler, a very ordinary shotgun, when one of the favoured weapons of human destruction in the video games that she sells are fully automatic shotguns.
Sure she has every right to make a living and to sell whatever is legal but when the product that she sells glorifies killing then the least that she ought to do is not lend herself and her murdered husband to the Greens for their agenda against the law abiding.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 7 November 2015 7:50:18 AM
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G'day there CHRISGAFF1000...

Good to hear from you Brother ! Apart from the the obvious economic advantages, I couldn't envisage living over there again. Twelve months was enough, especially after Malaya. Similar heat, humidity, dust and monsoons, though different comrades in arms, the lamentable ARVN. And of course not forgetting the VC and the NVA, neither were a particularly welcoming group from memory ?

On embarkation we all took our issue SLR's, and about three or four months in, M16's from the yanks. Apart from the weight I preferred the SLR, what you hit, stayed hit ! Apropos a variety of weaponary available, I was always keen to get my mitts on a .45ACP and bring it back home if possible ? Four or five weeks out from repatriation, we were all formerly counselled by 'the Dat's' DAPM warning us of the dire consequences of attempting to bring back any contraband we may've snookered away while there. Apparently Aussie Customs were red hot on blokes bringing back weapons and drugs etc ?

Interestingly, the reverse proved to be the case, and many of the Customs people were very very decent to our lot, and did everything possible to speed up the arrival process at the old Sydney International Terminal. In any event, I didn't want to risk it Chris, as I'd intended re-enlisting at the expiration of my term. I didn't, and look where I ultimately ended up, wearing blue for the next 32 + years ! Providence eh, go figure ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 7 November 2015 1:30:31 PM
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o sung wu, "Back in the early sixties, I purchased a beautiful 2nd hand, Sako Forester"

Doubtless like the owner before you and other respectable, law-abiding firearms owners you did NOT regard it as a 'weapon'. It was a firearm and a nicely smithed piece of art and practicality too.

Now in view of your criticism of younger licensed owners who obtain and always maintain lawful design and use of their treasured firearm and personalise it a bit with protective paint 'Cerakote' maybe (tropic proofing against corrosion), or a muzzle brake to reduce whiplash from point of aim, what about that raised 'Monte Carlo' cheekpiece on that lovely Forrester of yours?

Heh, heh, might be a case of a pot calling the kettle black there ;)

I will not go on to discuss Sako sights, improved triggers, heavy barrels and so on, lovely examples of the gunsmith's skills and art that they were, and are.

Sorry to gently chide you, o sung wu and I didn't mention did I, that you would have stood out back then with the 'unnecessary', 'over-the-top' Remington magnum version of what was a pleasant, relatively quiet calibre. Remington did develop that improvement for the US military snipers, you know.

Anyhow, just for the professional green left stirrers - of course magnum cartridges of all descriptions have been available since forever and no, that hasn't resulted in any changes to statistics.

Do we really, truly need to bother law-abiding, licensed individuals on trivia? It is their stuff and they are welcome to do what they want with it as long as they stay withing the law, which of course they do or lose their expensive joy and sport.

I say leave certified honest, law-abiding people alone. For goodness sakes release those trained police in weapons branches from the mind-bending busywork and futility of maintaining computer dossiers on ordinary, licensed folk and looking over good people's shoulders. Return the police to chasing the crims. Which is why most police became police in the first place, to protect good people and their possessions.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 7 November 2015 1:47:36 PM
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Let's damn well hope so o sung wu, with fools like Paul & company, intent on disarming all honest citizens, while opening the floodgates to Muslim boat people, we are going to have to defend ourselves sooner or later. They will be armed to the teeth, in bikey gangs with in days of arrival.

We are OK here though. I pulled out my old trusty .177 air rifle the other day, [licenced of course], & it still has almost enough power to blow a BB out of the barrel. I'm sure a good servicing & oiling will have it shooting a few feet within a month.

I haven't had it out in a few years. I've not breed any foals for a while, so didn't need it to discourage the wild dogs. The kids are now at me to bread a few for the grand kids pleasure, & the wild dogs are now worse than ever.

My son & his lady are living in our granny flat for a year or 2, & are developing a veggie patch. That's a big ask around here, with hungry wood ducks & opossums galore. We are working on an old carbide noise gun, of the type used extensively years ago in wheat fields. I'm not sure if an occasional bang will frighten the ducks off, but it's worth a try. I wonder if it is loud enough to scare off intruders?
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 7 November 2015 2:08:39 PM
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You're a real bugger aren't you ONTHEBEACH, for 'outing me' as a whinging old hypocrite for berating younger shooters who lawfully pursue their shooting sports quite legally and within the strict parameters of the law ! Mate you've got me there, OK :-) !

To be very honest with you OTB, I was so jolly possessive with my Sako, I was reluctant to even shoot the thing ? With the right weather and topped with the right optics I reckon the rifle would be capable of regularly performing at marginally under MOA all day long without too much trouble ? Finnish barrels were tight. From what I'm led to understand all FBI (operational) Sniper systems were; Remington mod.#700 actions, and all re-barreled with that brilliant Austrian marque -'Ferlach' heavy barrel, fully and semi-floated ?

As you'd mentioned the Remington OTB. The FBI Snipers School I attended in 1986, I was required to qualify using their equipment. Consequently, I was issued with a Remington mod 700, in .308cal (all law enforcement Snipers in that period <circa 1986>, were limited to .308 as a national Law Enforcement standard) As it happened, when I pressed other Snipers about the 'why's and wherefores' of this limitation, most agreed the calibre, and the weapon systems in toto, were more than equal to job requirements ?

OTB you might be surprised to hear, the average distance where a 'tactical' shot is made, is only about 72 yards ! The furthermost distance we were all required to qualify, was only 300 yards ! Please note, the US still referred to precise measurements, in the old imperial terms ? And nearly all tactical/operational situations, involve a hostage. Any similarity there may be, between that of a military sniper, juxtaposed to that of a law enforcement sniper, is purely coincidental.

Mate I could 'babble on' ad nauseam about all this stuff, and you'd be thoroughly bored out of your mind ? Furthermore most people wouldn't believe me anyway, a sad fact but nevertheless true, regrettably ?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 7 November 2015 3:34:02 PM
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