Hi there PAUL1405...

I understand you're absolutely opposed to private ownership of F/A's, as such I respect you're position on that, and as far as I know, you've never wavered either.

Just one matter I'd like to correct you on if I may in your last thread ? Police can always raise an objection against anybody being granted a F/A licence. If an individual is considered not a fit and proper person to be in possession of a F/A, police can lodge an immediate objection with the Court.

This applies equally to a question of character or mental capacity. Police then have the application listed for hearing before a Magistrate. Whereupon they're required to furnish their reason(s) as to why that individual should not be granted a licence. I've actually seen an appeal go all the way to the Supreme Court ?

On 'mental capacity' there's no requirement for police to prove an applicant is suffering from a diagnosed psychological disorder, pursuant to DSM V, to raise an objection. Only they are, in the opinion of police, not emotionally stable, sufficiently mature or mentally sound, to be in a possession of a F/A. The burden of proof rests with police.

Furthermore, notwithstanding your objections Paul; Shooting has been an (important) constitutive component of the modern Olympics since their genesis, back at the turn of the last century (circa 1895 -1900?). As such I cannot see a time when those specific events that include, precision F/A proficiency are ever summarily removed, without very sound reason(s).

No doubt Paul, there are parts of this whole F/A debate that concern me, otherwise I wouldn't have raised this Topic. But in general terms, I fully support the sport of shooting in all it's forms, as long as those participating are appropriately licenced and participate in the sport in a responsible lawful manner.

An opinion; Any crime committed, where a F/A is used in the commission of that crime, an additional ten years gaol is mandatorily added to the head sentence. This additional punishment is applied, with some success, in a number of American States.

The Greens throw mud. Stirrers who never let the truth ruin a protest. Anything for a headline.

The reality is vastly different. Here are some examples,

http://www.shootingaustralia.org/index.php

http://www.paralympic.org.au/athlete/natalie-smith/

o sung wu,
we had Browning 12g 10 round pump guns loaded with mini ball bearings for close "brush clearance"
The UN didn't approve but we did.
If there was anything lurking in the scrub he had a problem.
I don;t see the problem with the 'Adler" unless its name was Larry

Hi, o sung wu, nothing to correct, an anomaly with the laws covering firearm licences in NSW is as I stated. If what I had posted was incorrect good old Is Mise, backed up by Beach, would have been jumping up and down, they are not. In fact is Mise is some what apologetic, playing the seriousness down, saying "Most of those offences may not involve violence" So what.
"Police can always raise an objection against anybody being granted a F/A licence" of course they can, but why should the community have to rely on the police to take action, it should be automatic, considering the offences covered as prescribed are rather serious, terrorism.

Beach, "bunch of clowns." we are not the ones who favour a 'citizens militia' which once upon a time you put forward on OLO, calling it a gun sporting club or some such nonsense.

"knees-ups, which could be held in a phone booth." you stole that line from me when I called you out about your party leader Jim Saleam and Australia First.

Beach, you are a bit confused about who is where, you start mixing up the NSW Greens with Barack Obama, we are in Sydney, Obama is in Washington 16,000km away.

Is Mise, hunting is a spot because the gun happy brigade choose to call it a sport. In sport there is generally two equal sides, playing by agreed rules. When did the cuddly kolas agree people could shoot them out of the trees and call it sport. You could beat Novak Djokovic at tennis, if he had both hands tied behind his back wearing a blindfold, and had no racket, you would have the ace racket and get to serve all the time. Then you would call it sport, just like hunting. The people who engage in cock fighting and bear baiting call that sport to.

What about a comment on Walter Palmer who killed Cecil the lion, do you call that sport?

The Greens are clowns if they do not understand the extent of the powers and discretion delegated the Police Commissioner and discretion is needed.

As usual the Greens are muck-raking. It is all about protests and headlines. If Milat was released etc., what mendacious cr@p.

mendacious

not telling the truth; lying.
"mendacious propaganda"
synonyms: lying, untruthful, dishonest, deceitful, false, dissembling, insincere, disingenuous, hypocritical, fraudulent, double-dealing, two-faced, Janus-faced, two-timing, duplicitous, perjured, perfidious.

Describes the NSW 'Watermelon' Greens to a tee.

You would think, on today of all days, 97 years on from the first Armistice Day, the day that seen the end of the war to end all wars, we would no longer be arguing about the weapons used in war to kill so many, that we would be united in peace. Unfortunately not, we have learned little in those 97 years, and that is a shame.

The world is just like you Beach, full of anger, full of hate, all I can say at the moment is I don't know you bro, but I do love you. Same for me old sparing partners Is Mise and o sung wu, love you to bros and lets have an armistice on this discussion, at least for the rest of the day, the whole hour that's left.

Think I'll have another scotch, and listen to a bit more Bob Marley as well. i'll find a nice song for you guys to listen to on YouTube.

It ain't Bob, his mate Jimmy Cliff will have to do, have a listen, one day you might even get to like it a little. I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChrbIR6oHs