Suse...yup!

I think I'll sit back here a while and see the reaction to Joe's last post.

Being that it's a man calling out the disingenuous banter of "some" around here, who think threads like this are merely an excuse to label women "toxic bitches" while failing to address any other aspect of these crimes involving both men and women as victims and perpetrators.

So what have you fellas of the "toxic bitch labelling" fraternity got to say to Loudmouth?

I'll wager your replies to him will be far more measured than they have been to Suse.

The relationship of suicide rates to DV and not coping with the outcomes of family law and child support systems is an issue that men's groups have been wanting researched for many years. At this pointthe relationship is speculation based on an understanding of just how desperate it can be tone on the wrong side of those situations. Suicide by gttp://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main+features3240Jan%202013

For those who's only concern is the direct death rate the male death rate typically runs at 25% of all intimate partner homicides with around 23% of those by a female intimate partner.

For a little light reading (a good coverage of the case for DV not being a gender issue) http://ncfm.org/libraryfiles/Children/DV/Gender%20Paradigm%20In%20Domestic%20Violence.pdf

R0bert

Hi Robert,

I would suggest that, in cases of families and relationships which in no way involve any violence whatsoever, male suicide is far higher than female suicide. You're not lumping those stats in as well, are you ?

My guess is that, for example, male farmers suicide far more often than their wives, or female farmers, who have so many other things to think about, to keep their minds busy.

I'm not suggesting that many women don't get wild with their partners: men - so I've observed - can be so bloody useless at times, real wastes of space. My wife certainly seemed to think so occasionally. And she was usually right. It's a wonder I didn't get brained every week for some act of stupidity or laziness or other.

Getting angry and frustrated with a partner does not always translate into violence, and violence does not always translate into homicide. But my wife must have come close often.

And for no reason at all, that I could see !

Joe
www.firstsources.info

For anyone concerned with breaking tyhe cycle of violence and treating the root causes before things escalate, there should be NO problem with what Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced. It will be very interesting to hear Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's reaction to launching a domestic violence awareness campaign which acknowledges male victims.

The Queensland Premier has been provided with evidence that has challenged and changed her perception that DV was gendered.

What precisely is the problem with that? In brief, the nub of it, again,

<[Premier Palaszczuk]

“I do understand that there are a number of men who have gone through or are going through (domestic violence),” she said.

“I actually did change my language when it did become public because it was brought to my attention that there was some serious issues surrounding some men in our community needing help as well.”..

“It has to be about stopping violence.”>

Premier Palaszczuk is well educated and has plenty of policy advising experience.

<Palaszczuk was raised in the Brisbane suburb of Durack, the daughter of veteran state Labor MP Henry Palaszczuk, who was born in Germany to Polish parents. Her Australian mother, Lorelle, is descended from German settlers. She has degrees in Arts and Laws from the University of Queensland, a Masters of Arts from the University of London (where she was a Chevening Scholar), and a Graduate Diploma of Legal Practice from Australian National University.>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annastacia_Palaszczuk

Ms Palaszcuk was raised in and represents Durack and Inala, where the median age of voters is around the late thirties. The diversity and socioeconomic status and problems are similar to SBS's 'Struggle Town'.

Ms Palaszczuk's epiphany appears genuine. Hats off to her sincerity and courage. Brick bats though to the shonky social research and politically correct education system (and society) that so poorly informed her to mid-life.

Joe suicide stats are a tough topic with far to many unknowns. Having had a mildish dose of dealing with family law and CSA and hearing stories of some who had far rougher runs with those systems I do think when body counts get tossed in a reason to ignore DV against males consideration of the massive difference in suicide rates is relevant. The utter lack of support both from most peers and authorities for males dealing with an abusive spouse makes a horrible situation even worse.

You have discussed your own history in discovering the predominate narrative around treatment of indigenous people does not match what you found when you looked at the evidence. I'd recommend a look at the document I linked to, you may be surprised at the volume and completeness of the evidence against the current narrative on DV.

No single document is likely to provide a complete case but there is enough in that one to demonstrate that all is not as we are all to often told.

R0bert

//Yes, some women can be 'toxic evil bitches', no doubt: their numbers probably pale against those of 'toxic evil bastards', wouldn't you think ?//

23% is less than 77%, but it is not an insignificant percentage. You could hardly say it pales against 77%. Maths... why don't they teach maths in these schools?