funny how people are banging on about marriage counseling when by far the highest rates of dv is among defactos, Indigeneous and homosexuals. More tax payer funded solutions more often than not create more problems.

phanto,

I was willing to give your stuff a bit of credence...yet...you've now gone right over the top.

It's difficult to know where to start with your tirade...not a word of criticism for the men who commit domestic violence - its all down to the victims, who are either not doing enough to get out or aren't picketing the mass media or should have picked first up that their partner was likely to turn into a basher....

"Rosie Batty is not a role model of courage but a role model of hypocrisy. She is no champion against domestic violence or she would be using her platform to advise women to get out of domestic relationships while they can leave unscathed..."

What?

Exactly what she did..she and Luke left unscathed, but look what happened in the end.

Where are these hordes of women supposed to go?

"When women do leave their partners, they’re jumping into a safety net that’s full of holes. Across Australia, the demand for refuges is so high that every second woman has to be turned away. Many of these women will end up homeless. More than half the women who seek help from homelessness services cite domestic violence as the reason they left home."

http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/march/1425128400/jess-hill/home-truths

Homelessness:

"Half are under 24 years old and 10,000 are children
1 in 40 children under five use a homeless service each year.
The largest single cause of homelessness in Australia is domestic and family violence, which overwhelmingly affects women and children.
Most preventable homelessness is caused when people exit from institutions into unstable housing situations.
The waiting list for public housing is 16 years
For people at extreme risk, waiting time is 12 – 18 months"

http://www.salvationarmy.org.au/Who-We-Are/our-work/Homelessness/#sthash.S5TsgV3H.dpuf

"....Every woman who takes that risk has no one to blame but themselves for taking that risk."

Sorry....this conversation is too stupid for me to continue.

Bye.

Poirot:

For the second time, I am not talking about victims but about those in a situation where there is a one in three chance of them becoming victims and that is every woman in a domestic situation. I am not talking about those who need refuge but about those who do not yet need refuge but are exposing themselves to a risk just by being in a relationship. That risk is one in three.

“Where are these hordes of women supposed to go?”

Are you saying that every woman in a domestic relationship is totally dependent on that relationship and has nowhere else to go? There are millions of women who leave domestic relationships for reasons other than domestic violence. Where do they go? That is where all those who can go should go. They should go even if they are not victims because it is highly likely they will become victims.

It has got nothing to do with homelessness or available places. There are many millions of women who are not victims but who can go but do not. There are many women not yet in domestic relationships but who desperately want to be. They want to be in a situation where they have a one in three chance of becoming victims.

“Sorry....this conversation is too stupid for me to continue.”

But not stupid enough to respond to in the first place. You do not have to apologise.

Phanto asks “What about leaving him ? Would not that also constitute a proper response? This is how many women solve the problem or are you not interested in helping women solve the problem?”

Yeah, yeah, blame the victim – the usual refuge for criminality against the defenceless.

Leaving the basher didn’t help Ms Batty much, did it? Luke Batty was murdered because the scumbag was at large. He was at large even though he was also a rock spider, because the law was too weak to allow the cops to grab him.

The basher lobby makes much of the plea that the victim was asking for it – by giving lip, by not disrupting her life, even by accepting a relationship in the first place. No, bashers are the ones who DO domestic violence, let them pay the full price for being forcibly stopped.

BTW, the ankle bracelet technology has been queried as conferring a false sense of security, and there are problems of cost [1]. Cost could be defrayed by being charged to the bashers.

[1] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-06/big-investment-needed-to-manage-criminals-in-home-detention/691738

Emporer,

Looks like we are shifting from a "lock-em-up" policy" to a "ankle bracelets for alleged perpetrators of DV" policy.

It seems that you have to be continually reminded that Greg Anderson had never been convicted of any offense...not even one related to being what you call "a rock spider". If the evidence was so clear on that why was it taking so long to have the matter dealt with in court even though Anderson failed to make an appearance and allowing for Victorian police incompetence?

Furthermore you haven't explained how being a "rock spider" relates to being a dv perp. of the "basher" type which talking about is your hobby.

MGTOW4Ever

Hi Julian,

I wasn't thinking of marriage counselling as some sort of remedial activity, but as something that was somehow done from much earlier in a marriage - a bit like support systems in which nurses routinely visit young mothers for the first year or so of a baby's life, i.e. very much preventative, and advisory. Maybe such a network of support workers could each loosely pull together a group of similarly newly-married people, like a community club.

Often church groups used to do this, maybe they still do. I sang at a gig in a Uniting Church for the sixtieth anniversary of their community group. Something like that, with a trained and alert marriage counsellor dropping in every so often over a long period, getting to know young couples from they join the group, might make a difference ?

We can each of us carp and whinge and bitch and blame and find excuses for this and that, OR we can try to find ways around the problem. And can pick up the pieces afterwards.

Joe