Butch and TTb are leftovers from the Abbott era, and that is why Abbott is not there any more. They are the against everything movement.

The hard right don’t exist any more, and their supporters are leaving the party in droves. You will have to wait till the next life to see another Abbott.

We now have a middle of the road PM, and that does not make the Conservative side of the liberal ‘s happy at all. Turnbull is the best thing ever happened to them, it was a foregone conclusion.

J F Be careful Butch and ttB can’t understand rational thinking, if it makes sense they will not want to know about it. They need to see blood streaming down the gutter. Just like Abbott did.

Any thought of creating employment is out the window, they need to create more unemployment to have a pool of peasants’ when there is not enough on the dole, wages rise

Doog, please quote me accurately. I said pension etc cuts not no pension.
You need to get out a bit, even the economists, yes that horde of
optimists that believe you can have continuous growth in a finite world
have finally got the message.
It has not filtered up to the politicians yet but after a few budgets
that cannot make anyone happy they might start to wonder.

Can I hear already a faint cry; "Bring Back Tony Abbott !".

Don't worry about Malcolm, it is Morrison that we will have to watch.
If he wakes up to what is going on he might well force Malcolm to
go where he does not want to go.

It's actually 'ttbn', doog, which stands for try-to-be-nice to remind me to do just that. You quite often make that very hard for me to do; at least you are usually polite.

You are stretching it a bit calling Abbott hard right. He wasn't much of a PM, possibly because he wasn't far enough to the right, but he was too soft for me. You will now declare me ultra-right or some such. I am a conservative. Conservatism is a state of mind; it and culture, not necessarily connected to any particular party. Surely you haven't missed my criticisms of of Abbott and the Coalition? Surely you have known conservatives in the Labor Party? One doesn't come to mind currently - more's the pity - but there have been several in times gone by: all retired now, probably due to the far-Left people who have highjacked what used to be a centre party, with good ideas.

ttbn, on second thoughts no need for you to pop into K-Mart and pick up those bags of potting mix, enough BS in that last post of yours to grow all the 'geraniums' you want. "Conservatism is a state of mind" your got to have a mind first before it can be in a state! LOL. conservatism, state of mind, Abbott, he wasn't far enough to the right, but he was too soft, yeah right, what ever you say Genghis Khan, too soft indeed! Good to see the last of him!

JF AUS, you do realize that the reason most of our manufacturing jobs are gone is because we are no longer competitive on the global market. Put simply, our wages for business, which includes tax, super, leave loading, penalty loading, sick leave, parental leave, work cover and redundancy payouts are at a point whereby we have made ourselves unaffordable, the really scary part is that while wages are high for businesses, they are too low to live on.

You also forget one minor issue, wages are paid from profits and most employers are small to medium businesses. Just calling for an increase won't don the trick.

You then said " If there is not enough money then there will be unrest and turmoil like in the Middle east."

So just where do you think we are headed JF, or more importantly, where do you think this pit of extra money is going to come from to fund all these great wages?

My suggestion is a total scrapping of our out of date tax system to be replaced with a transaction tax, on that taxes everyone evenly, small, average, medium, huge, even mega huge as everyone must use a bank account at some point.

Of cause this will see those who earn very little effected, but this who earn the most will also pay the most.

Its been suggested a TT of just 2% will generate more than we collectively have now and, it would see millions each week going back into the economy through increased spending.

Doog, sticks and stones my friend

I can tell you now that in the next few years we will see the abolishment of penalty rates for many industries and low skilled workers will be working for ten
Bucks an hour.

It didn't have to be that way but the unions insisted with their intervention and secured boom time rates and perks that are now unsustainable.

Just you watch.

Rechtub, if we are lucky the myth that we have been fed on will not
happen. The poor countries will not get richer but we will get poorer.
If that does not happen we will be overcome with war on our doorstep.

We are running low on resources and one way or another they will have
to be shared around.
All the problems loaded onto businesses is the result of trying to keep
the cheap oil & coal era roaring ahead. From the 1950s onward we lived
in a marvelous world. Cheap energy drove our economies and made the
global economy something to wonder at. International travel become
everyone's holiday. Australia led the world in house ownership and
the country expanded like there were no limits.

Unfortunately there are limits and it all fell apart in 2005/2008.
The rules changed and even the economists did not understand the change.
Business as usual was their cry after the crash but it looked like
they would get it but they were working on "Pay Day Loans" and did not know it.
In the last couple of months the bailiff has been looking up our address.
We simply cannot generate the profit from Australia Pty Ltd that we
became accustomed to. Our best bet is agribusiness.
It will make us a good profit and it will keep the wolf from the door.

It will require politicians the like of which we have never had before.
It will need someone that will say to the people you are not going
to like this, but it has to be done.
I can only think of one politician that has ever said anything along
those lines. No it is not Tony.