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So what's all the fuss about with the libs changing leaders

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Dear O Sung Wu,

I found Mr Abbott to be an embarrassment.
To me he should never have been elected as PM.
As Tony Windsor stated -
Mr Abbott - simply was not up to that job.
Now Mr Abbott is no longer our problem but that
of the Liberal Party's.

Much as Turnbull exudes great charm and
persuasion, I still do have some reservations.
Yes, Mr Turnbull does come across
as sophisticated, urbane, erudite, classy, and so on.
(Most of which one commentator explained is basically
code for him having received the proper class training).

I guess we shall have to wait and see
what kind of PM he will make.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 3:20:00 PM
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One would have thought that Labor's and Greens' association with unions like the CFMEU would be an embarrassing concern, but obviously not.

<Royal commission into trade union governance and corruption

Former CFMEU chief tells royal commission secret recording is accurate

David Hanna changes his evidence at royal commission and says he ‘got his thoughts together overnight’

A former union official at the centre of the trade unions royal commission has changed his evidence about a secret recording of a discussion about document shredding.

On Tuesday the former Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy union divisional president, David Hanna, confirmed the veracity of the recording that implicates the CFMEU in shredding documents needed for the inquiry.

Union dumped seven tonnes of papers after subpoena served, audio suggests..>

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/22/former-cfmeu-chief-tells-royal-commission-secret-recording-is-accurate
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 4:02:41 PM
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'I found Mr Abbott to be an embarrassment.' Oh yes Foxy and Rudd and Gillard where such examples of character. Your judge of character is atrocious.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 4:32:42 PM
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Dear runner,

You Sir are in no position to judge anyone's
character when your own is lacking in the
very basics of decent behaviour.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 5:41:05 PM
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Hi o sung wu,

I am sorry to say loyalty in politics only extends so far. Yes, if push came to shove Abbott would have been prepared to sacrifice Hockey at the alter of self preservation. Likewise Hockey would have turned on Abbott just as easily, unfortunately Hockey had made himself a 'No Friends Nigel' within the Liberal Party and was forced to stick with his "mate" Abbott as he had no other option.

Other than that unrepresentative swill the Nationals, people Turnbull is burdened with, due to the need to form a coalition to govern. Turnbull's ministry is mainly based on reward for support, with a few hard core conservatives thrown in to appease the ultra right of the party.

In a beach side interview today, Abbott could hardly contain his rage when the subject turned to Scott Morrison, a bloke Abbott believed was one of his most loyal henchmen, and sadly for Abbott his trust was well and truly misplaced, as it was with Bishop. Chris Payne had been paddling furiously away from the sinking ship for six months and in no way was he going to be sucked under when the ship finally went down.

If I wasn't so hard nosed about politics I could possibly have sympathy for Abbott, but nah, let him 'burn'.

Beach the deflector is at it again, can't fess up that his Abbott adulation was off the planet nonsense, he is desperately trying to deflect the discussion to a totally irrelevant topic. Nice try Beach, but you have failed again. Get one of your conspiracy theory's going and find out if Turnbull is a Fabian, or even worse, a fully paid up member of the CFMEU.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 9:01:04 PM
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Dear Paul,

There's an excellent article by Chris Uhlmann giving
an analysis of what led to the demise of tony abbott.
And where will Malcolm Turnbull take us:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-15/analysis-what-led-to-the-demise-of-tony-abbott/6777070

Uhlmann tells us that from the victory speech of our
new Prime Minister if we were into 3 word slogans - the slogan
for Mr Malcolm Turnbull would -
"Hope not Nope!"

When analysing what went wrong with Mr Abbott's term in
the office of PM was the fact that Mr Abbott was not capable
of rising to the position. He used the same tactics in his
role as PM that he had used as Opposition leader -
"Oppose everything and propose nothing."

Christ's message of -
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
was not a dictum that Mr Abbott followed.

Mr Abbott was driven by a parody of that dictum coined
by another Catholic politician, James Curley, 3 time Boston
Mayor - "Do others, or they will do you."

The link is worth a read.
As Uhlmann points out when Mr Abbott won the Prime
Ministership - both he and the nation were the poorer for it.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 10:03:08 PM
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