What a load of rot Foxy, time and time again you came to the rescue of both Rudd and Gilard" this being despite their repeated stuff ups.

Doog, I haven't jumped ship, I just acknowledged that Abbott was a dud. As for Turnbul I will wait and see, but considering there's daylight between him and Shorten, there don't appear to be too many choices do there.

Hi Butch,

When did you realise Abbott was a dud, the bloke was considered a dud back in the 1990's when his name first came up as a possible future PM, and that was from insiders within the Liberal Party. He promised them he had improved so they gave him the gig, only to see him fail miserably. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Hi Foxy,

The ABC article is very much the truth. At the moment Turnbull is on his "honeymoon" and as such is loved by all, with a few notable exceptions on the forum and elsewhere. Soon he'll have to get down to business, and its not going to be easy when the acid is applied. Turnbull's personal agenda is very much that of a small "l" Liberal, and to those of the hard right within the party, and certainly to most of the National Party its not their agenda. I think Turnbull will try and keep the popularity going full steam and in that way silence the detractors within as he goes about making his personal agenda the national agenda. On economic issues Turnbull is a 'free marketeer' which naturally sits well with the conservative elements of business and politics, so no internal problems there, but on social issues the mans seen as a "red", a loose cannon, and those issues are going to prove much more difficult to carry, but as I said providing he keeps on side with the voters he can't loose the social debate. Turnbull knows Australia is ripe for change on gay marriage, short term, and with the demise of QEII the republican issue will be much easier to implement in the long term, as will be a number of other social issues that will surface as time goes on.

Butch Rudd and Gillard are old news. There is nothing you can do about the past, just like trying to back-out Abbott, it can’t be done. As far as recognizing, what about the 110 billion Toni put on the credit card, you seem to have a problem with recognition there.

You were told the best man for the coalition was Turnbull, but you would not take notice, and see now what a mess it has made. You should take more notice of those who know better.

Turnbull will have a fight on in getting the coalition factions working together, but if anyone can do it he has a good chance.

Bill Shorten is in the future, a willing contender, if Turnbull fails. It is up to the voters on the day that counts. All eyes are now on Mr Turnbull to perform and get Australia moving, we can’t survive on .2 growth. That is rock bottom. Try and have something good to say about your new leader. Butch.

Paul1405 and Fox are critics of the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. What came of those appeals the union heavies were going to make against the Justice and to log-jam the Commission?

So it is only to be expected that they would be obsessed with sledging Tony Abbott.

Even while out of the picture Tony Abbott lives on for those who support union interference in Labor and Labor's dependence on big unions. Abbott may yet achieve what Ex-PM Kevin Rudd and other Labor notables who criticised the influence of union heavies and factions in Labor. At the very least, some of the union thugs are being shirt-fronted by a Royal Commission and being brought to heel in courts.

The mates of Labor and Greens,

<CFMEU ordered to pay Grocon $3.5m; fined for conduct on Brisbane worksite

AUSTRALIA’s biggest construction union is under siege amid a record $3.55m payout, a push for deregistration and damaging allegations including of unlawful conduct at a Brisbane worksite..

That payout could be dwarfed by a $28 million compensation fee being sought by Boral, while the ACCC also has its sights on the union over claims of restrictive work practices.

The CFMEU has also been fined $545,000 for unlawful, intimidating and coercive conduct on a Brisbane worksite where subcontractors and employees were called dogs and “scabby gay boys”.

In a scathing judgment the Federal Court found the union displayed “outrageous disregard” for industrial norms and implied it could face deregistration if it continued its unlawful conduct.

The judgment also singled out one union official, questioning whether or not he should continue in his role after behaviour at the taxpayer-funded South Brisbane construction of 140 units for Queensland’s long-term homeless..
Fair Work Building and Construction director Nigel Hadgkiss welcomed the ruling yesterday.

“Coercion is particularly heinous conduct and has widespread impacts on Australia’s building and construction industry,” he said.

“Regrettably the conduct outlined in this case is but day-to-day activity on Australia’s building and construction sites.”

CFMEU national vice president Michael Ravbar said the union would not appeal..>
http://tinyurl.com/nbdwxxq

otb,

Forum etiquette requires that you don't keep
harping on about the same thing, or hankering
back to previous arguments. It is rarely
productive and you always end up going round in
circles.

Respect other posters if you disagree explain why.
Avoid personal attacks, pettiness, and abuse.

I have clearly stated that the Royal Commission into
union corruption should go ahead on this forum.
Kindly retract your statement that I am against
the Royal Commission. It is a false statement.

cont'd ...

I am not critical of the Royal Commission.
What I was criticising was the NSW Liberal
Party - and how they neglected to inform
Justice Dyson Heydon of all the facts.

As for "sledging" Mr Abbott.
Again - giving website links to opinion pieces
from media articles does not equate to "sledging."

Dear Rehctub,

You seem to have a problem with the opinions of others.
Not a good look if you want your opinions to be
respected. Change your tactics.