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So what's all the fuss about with the libs changing leaders

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I don't get what all the fuss is about with the recent leadership change from the libs, i mean, it's not like anyone here voted for TONY ABBOTT to be PM and, unlike the knifing that saw Julia Gillard dethrone Kevin Rudd, this was done above board and without the spitefulness and lies that covered Julia's hidden agenda.

Tony Abbott faced his party room about six months ago and was clearly advised that he had six months to right the ship, so as to say. He was given the six months, whereby his popularity declined even further, then he was voted out.

As opposed to the knifing method, Gillard on Rudd, whereby she gave her assurance the night before that he had her full support, only to knife him the very next day, Bronwyn Bishop, as a deputy should, advised Mr Abbott that his time had expired and that a challenge was imminent, which saw TA then do the honorable thing and call a ballot, all above board. The result being Mr Turnbull out polling Mr Abbott by the best part of 25%.

So although we didn't go through the highly publisized side show of the Rudd Gillard debacle, what's the big deal about changing an under performing leader I ask?

Surely it's about the best person for the job of best representing the people. Of cause the fall out from Labors position is that Bill Shoreton has been left wanting to say the least and has been exposed for the unpopular union thug he has always been. Imagine having him in the to job!
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 19 September 2015 2:16:08 PM
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The word is Turnbull has sold his backside to become PM. Just like Toni did to become PM. Turnbull has sof ar hidden his true self.

He had to do this to get the CLP on side. Itís a matter of pleasing the CLP and at the same time pleasing the population of AU. If he can not make that work he will be a very short lived PM.

We will have more on Turnbull in 6 months time. Besides turnbull will not be himself until he is re engaged in a new ballot. So you are now in a very precarious situation, trying to satisfy both of your own sides. [ The liberals and the Conservatives.]

To much on way and not the other and you will be a square one
Posted by doog, Saturday, 19 September 2015 2:59:11 PM
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rehctub,

"... this was done above board and without the spitefulness and lies that covered Julia's hidden agenda."

Guffaw!

Read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-it-happened-inside-the-malcolm-turnbull-leadership-coup-20150918-gjq1d0.html?stb=twt

""He's burning the house down," Turnbull told supporters."

"On Wednesday night last week, for instance, two of the plotters, Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan, both junior members of the Abbott executive, decided to appeal for Julie Bishop's help.

Together with a third junior, Michaelia Cash, they met Bishop last Thursday in Parliament House.....She would not agree to back any move against Abbott or to stand in her own right.

There was a challenger, willing to challenge, and he appeared to have the numbers. But there was no obvious mechanism, no catalyst. The house was burning but the conspirators, whose ranks also included James McGrath, Simon Birmingham, Arthur Sinodinos, Mal Brough, Wyatt Roy and Peter Hendy, needed something dramatic to bring on collapse.

Abbott had warnings aplenty. The most glaring was the February spill. More recently, his loyalists had been reporting to him and to his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, every suspicious move.

For instance, when one known Turnbull plotter, junior minister Simon Birmingham, was observed walking into the office of a backbench plotter, Arthur Sinodinos, some weeks ago. "Ministers never visit backbenchers in their offices!" exclaimed an Abbott acolyte with conspiratorial relish.

Cory Bernardi was suspicious when Malcolm Turnbull invited him to his office for tea.

"..."Abbott Planning Purge of Cabinet" read the page three headline. The prime minister was about to axe up to six ministers to get rid of dead wood, said the story, and it named the six.

The story cited an unnamed "senior source" and Malcolm Turnbull, like most of the government, immediately put a name to it: "It's a Credlin special!" he announced to MPs..."

All overthrows are cloak and dagger enterprises - this one was no different.

Don't attempt to paint it as a smooth transition of no particular account- it was clinical in the end, but only because of the dire situation.

Note also that an ungracious PM quickly became an ungracious ex-PM.

What an embarrassing two year debacle.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 19 September 2015 3:03:13 PM
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rehctub,

I also note that Mr "not spiteful" Abbott decided, once the chips were down that his "loyalty" to Hockey only went so far. He approached Morrison with an offer of the deputy leadership and the Treasurer's role if he would actively campaign for him.

He also threw Julie Bishop under a bus by petulantly throwing her position open along with his own in the spill.

There was no requirement that he do that.

In addition, he did not give a concession speech on the night - he did not speak to colleagues at all in the days after his demise.

He sent his resignation by "fax"! (unheard of) Prime Minsters always make the trip in person to the Governor General to hand in their resignation.

And his staff have taken days longer than usual to vacate the PMO.

In short, he acted in defeat just as we imagined he would - no ticker...
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 19 September 2015 3:16:56 PM
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rehctub,

"... Bronwyn Bishop, as a deputy should, advised Mr Abbott that his time had expired and that a challenge was imminent..."

And by "Bronwyn", of course you mean "Julie".

But speaking of Bronwyn - let's just take this on board.

After Bronnie's demise as Speaker, she fronted up to the next sitting day and took her place on the back bench - not easy, but there she was.

Julia Gillard fronted up to the back bench on the next sitting day after her demise as leader - as did Kevin Rudd.

Not Tony Abbott.

He's been missing from parliament since he was deposed - and has given notice that he won't return until the next sitting.

What a shabby character.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 19 September 2015 3:30:34 PM
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It seems the only ones that know about Shortens ability to be PM are Abbott lovers. The voters decide that. Like we decided Toni was the best man for the job, but we were proved wrong and now he has been deposed by his own colleagues. All was well until the voters figured out that we were encouraged with lies.

The voice of the populous is reflected in the polls, and political parties take notice.

Of course Toni did not take his knifing at all graciously. You could say his attitude was ignorant, just like his time in office. We were warned about Toni by past leaders, but these things have to be tried.

Toniís demise was quite messy as the reports are still coming in. You have unabated love for the man to be wanting to talk turkey at this early stage.

Turnbull says we live in exciting times, so lets see what he can do for us, with his new treasurer and a host of others still to be named. It is up to them to please the voters, or else they will be looking for a new job
Posted by doog, Saturday, 19 September 2015 3:44:53 PM
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