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Is Australia Ready to Become a Police State?

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Whoops, busy day, some of us have to put our hours into work and tax paperwork. That link,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-14/accused-instigator-of-gold-coast-bikie-brawl-sentenced/6697226
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:27:17 AM
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Hi OTB,

From that news report:

"Lawyer for Teamo Alastair McDougall said outside court his client was glad the matter was "completely behind him".

"He's a single dad ... all he wants to do is get home to his boys and look after them," Mr McDougall said."

And bash the odd woman's head in with a brick. So misunderstood :(

I'm surprised how many bikies seem to be non-Anglo. At the risk of stereotyping, maybe the notions of the Marxist anthropologist Oscar Lewis, of an alienated population, with a very casual attitude to right and wrong, and to violence, that he characterised (I think incorrectly) as expressions of a 'culture of poverty', may be relevant here: to large sections of some migrant populations, who perhaps arrived, or grew up, in Australia AFTER the big economic boom of the 1960s, and who couldn't get an economic and social foothold in Australian society, crime and violence may be an easy option for such populations.

Something similar happened, after all, to Aboriginal populations who moved to the cities just a bit too late, after the mid-sixties, who couldn't find their feet in unfamiliar environments until it was too late - say, post-1972, when jobs were drying up. Often many of those alienated Aboriginal people went back to country towns, or festered in outlying suburbs, which now are notorious for the incidence of idiotic and petty crime - and not-so-petty crime.

The bottom line is that there are populations with a very easy-going attitude to crime and violence. Hence they drift to the bikies.

You know I'm right.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 11:05:18 AM
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The history of bikie gangs in this country is
interesting as is the crime profile of outlaw
motorcycle gangs put out by the Crime Commission.
The fact sheets are worth a read:

http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/publications/intelligence-products/crime-profile-fact-sheets/outlaw-motorcycle-gangs
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 12:08:53 PM
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Loudmouth,

Is IS all society's fault. Even where the gang members are being imported. Well, according to the criminals themselves, their expensive lawyers and faux leftists, that is.

Fox,

LOL, when was that politically sensitive and diplomatic brochure drafted and under whose administration?

There were enough bikies rioting in Broadbeach Qld for police to be rushed from Brisbane, Ipswich, North Coast and other centres. The bikies surrounded a police station, threatening police and their families too. All in a day's work apparently. So the image of 'just a few naughty lads is absolute cr@p.

It is incontrovertible that many police and their loved ones were threatened and feared for their lives and close family. The threats continue.

The feds are playing catch-up on methamphetamine ATM. Guess what? The OMG bikies feature prominently in the import, manufacture and distribution of all manner of drugs. On the Gold Coast only a year ago Rebels bikies were arrested in connection with an alleged racket importing $20 million amphetamines from the UK.

What about this,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-23/gold-coast-mongols-president-nick-forbes-arrested-treasurer/6567172

This is the Palaszczuk Labor government in action (lack of action!),

<Broadbeach bikie brawl: no appeal of sentences, says D’Ath

ATTORNEY General Yvette D’Ath will not consider lodging an appeal against penalties handed out to bikies invovled in a mass brawl at Broadbeach, despite none of them being given any jail time.

Even though gang members threatened to slit a bystander’s throat, king-hit a police officer, terrorised families and menaced a vastly-outnumbered group of police, Magistrate Michael Quinn yesterday allowed 18 of the men to walk free.

The incident led to the then-LNP Newman government introducing tough anti-bikie laws and closing down the clubs.

Burleigh MP Michael Hart wrote to Ms D’Ath, calling for her to step in and appeal against the sentences, saying the departure of former Chief Judge Tim Carmody last month had led to a “softly-softly” approach in the courts.>
http://tinyurl.com/osf4ta3
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 1:58:46 PM
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The Crime Commission in the link given earlier has
a variety of publications on organised crime in
Australia - including a 2015 Report. Anyone with
enough intelligence can simply click on the provided
information.

As far as laws and bikie gangs in Queensland are concerned
there are also plenty of sites available on the web that discuss
the ineptitude of the previous LNP government's rush
to get their draconian laws through - which would have
had serious repercussions in the state.
Many Queenslanders objected to the laws. And as the facts
showed - their effectiveness was questionable.
Hence the election
of a new government by a landslide in that state.
People made their feelings known.
The laws are now being examined by a taskforce that will
ensure that the new laws will not be the shambles of the
past ones. Representatives from all facets of the police
force, the law, and appropriate organisations are part of the taskforce.

The following link explains the lessons to be learned from
the Queensland stuff up:

http://theconversation.com/queensland-holds-lessons-for-states-set-to-crack-down-on-bikies-43317
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 2:53:04 PM
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Fox,

Out of all of the serious problems affecting Queensland such as unemployment especially consequent to the reduction in mining, homelessness, drugs and violent crime, why would the first priority of the Annastacia Palaszczuk Labor government be to deep six the proved successful Queensland's Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment (VLAD) Act that put bikie gangs on the back foot?

It is disingenuous to sledge the anti-bikie law for the number of convictions under that Act (only the most senior police could lay a charge), when there were hundreds of successful charges laid and intel gathered through the apprehensions and investigations it enabled (which was the intent of the law).

Now the gangs are back with a vengeance and new gangs, sensing the softening of government resolve in Queensland are moving in,

<Violent New Zealand Black Power gang has moved into the Gold Coast and there’s nothing cops can do

A NEW Zealand street gang notorious for brazen violence, drugs and extortion has moved into the Coast’s northern corridor and there is nothing anti-bikie police can do about it.

Black Power is actively recruiting Maori and Pacific Islander members and has moved into the drug trade in the south east corner.

..The New Zealand Police said the gang is involved “in serious violence, selling and distributing drugs, possessing firearms and offensive weapons, and using intimidation and threatening tactics in pursuit of their criminal activities”.

The criminality and brutality of the gang is well documented in New Zealand.>
http://tinyurl.com/lrfwbjp
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 3:54:49 PM
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