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Is Australia Ready to Become a Police State?
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Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 4 September 2015 3:20:01 PM
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SM,
"At last you admit that you are far worse than Abbott. In the last few months you have climbed into your jack boots and used Nazi references many times wrt the liberals and the new border force, yet can only find TA comparing ISIS that routinely hold mass executions to the Nazis which is in my opinion completely valid." Of course it would be "valid" in your opinion....you snuggle up to Abbott's vacuous rubbish all the time. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/04/the-nazis-ashamed-abbotts-third-reich-comparisons-are-not-gaffes?CMP=share_btn_tw "At one level, the comparison could be read as simply cynical, condescending and lazy. It’s another attempt to scare people so they come running for Daddy and elect the Coalition, with its perceived strength on national security. But it’s also infantilising, because it presumes the public has no broad historical awareness. Isis are barbarous rapists and murderers, who may yet play a role in wiping out Christianity and a number of ethnocultural groups in the areas they control. But there’s also no comparison between the threat they present and that of Nazi Germany. The Nazis converted a major democracy with a sophisticated industrial economy into a war machine. By the time the Final Solution began in earnest, they had conquered Europe – and its major powers – from the English Channel to the Caucasus, and had soldiers from Norway to North Africa. This scale and the machinery of an advanced state is what enabled them to carry out industrial-scale extermination as well as opportunistic murder. Isis, by comparison, are opportunistic gangsters visiting further ruination on two failed states, and trying to jerry-rig their own state machinery in the rubble. The west’s role in creating the conditions that led to it, and our incompetence in dealing with the consequences, should not lead us to overstate their capacities. What’s more, the Holocaust was a state secret not because, as Abbott claimed, the Reich was ashamed of its actions, but because they didn’t want anyone interfering with their ongoing genocide." More pathetic waffle from Abbott - a midget on the world's stage - who's turning rhetorical somersaults in his bid to find a war. Posted by Poirot, Friday, 4 September 2015 6:06:16 PM
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Hi Poirot, your above post is the best one on this entire thread, most thoughtful, and it shows your knowledge on the subject, pity Abbott does not share your understanding.
From the SMH; Australia's peak Jewish group has rounded on Prime Minister Tony Abbott for suggesting Islamic State terrorists are in some ways worse than the Nazis. Executive Council of Australian Jewry president Robert Goot said Mr Abbott's comparison of the Islamic State and Nazi Germany was "injudicious and unfortunate". The Nazis did terrible evil but they had a sufficient sense of shame to try to hide it. But hours later Mr Abbott said: "I stand [by] what I said, not by the interpretation that other people might want to put on it." Saying; "The Nazis did terrible evil but they had a sufficient sense of shame to try to hide it." Can be interpreted as saying "The Nazis were bad, but underneath there was some good in them, after all they did try to hide what they had been doing." Is there a doctor in the house! Abbott has contracted 'Foot In Mouth' once again! Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 5 September 2015 6:59:34 AM
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G'day Is Mise and others, so the gun happy brigade have had some kind of victory, you say. They can now do their favorite Rambo impersonations with this pump action shot gun, that should clear the bus stops! You have also won the praise of that phony senator from NSW David Leyonhjelm, who won office by deception, presenting himself as a liberal democrat when he is no such thing. I have no respect for such a gutless charlatan who is to weak to honestly represent himself to the people, and care nothing of what he says.
Shadow, Tony Abbott is Basil Fawlty without the mustache "Listen, don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right." No you didn't Tone! Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 5 September 2015 7:46:17 AM
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Thanks, Paul, although the body of that post was an article quote - with which I'm in full agreement.
Here's an in depth analysis of Border Force: http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/immigration/2015/09/05/inside-border-forces-power/14413752002322 "What has changed, rapidly and profoundly, is the raison d’ętre of the Immigration Department. Its DNA has been forsaken. First is its abandonment of historical focus – that of the settlement and integration of refugees, a focus that has happily distinguished Australia from much of the world. “There was a range of things the department once did – for example, Harmony Day, humanitarian settlement, multiculturalism,” a source says. “All these are stripped from Immigration now. Broadly, there has been very little promotion of multicultural policy by this government...." "Mike Pezzullo – Mr Secretary – oversees a dramatically militarised department, one that functions with increasing secrecy. There is now a command and control system; its senior bureaucrats wear military tunics. Long-term public servants, asked to exchange policy for army salutes, have left. About a quarter of senior executives are gone. Remaining immigration staff are now the beta tribe to the big dogs of Border Force, creating internecine angst, while the media team field daily questions about abuse exercised in their name." "“They’ve cut down on the sharing of information,” a source says. “A lot. And there are now many physically quarantined places in the building at Belconnen. There used to be just one area that if someone who wasn’t authorised to be there – like, they were employed by the department but were visiting that particular work station – then people would call out ‘Stranger on the floor’ and that was a sign to stop talking and clear your desk of anything sensitive. Well, now there are many such areas.”" Etc.... Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:29:05 AM
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Paul,
First, it's not a pump action shotgun but a lever action gun, this type has been legal in Australia since the first ones were imported in the 1890s, over 100 years ago. Are you not concerned at the arbitrary actions of the PM? Why would he want to ban a particular brand, the Adler, when it's use and ownership comply with Australian law? One would have thought that the Greens would be leaping to the defence of the importer and his customers who had already paid deposits. Let the Govt. get away with this and what might be next? Don't the Greens believe in defending the rights of Australians who comply with the law? Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 5 September 2015 8:48:54 AM
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I'm sure that you and other Greens will join with me in condemning Tony Abbott's authoritarian banning of the Adler Lever-action shot gun.
This temporary banning of a lawfully imported and fully legal gun by Prime Ministerial decree goes against all that the Greens purport to stand for and against the rule of law.
The Government has now backed off, but for how long?
http://davidleyonhjelm.com.au/senator-leyonhjelms-statement-on-the-adler-shotgun-ban/