Bazz, I can't believe you didn't know the energy content of fuel is greater than that of the electricity it generates!

EROEI figures normally ignore the energy content of the fuel in favour of the energy required to dig it up.

Of course it is, and the difference is in the loss & efficiency of the machine.
The point is to get that energy you have to spend energy.
The incumbant energy is there for free except for the energy expended
in getting it out. The ratio of energy out to the getting it out
energy is what counts.

Not sure what dream on supposed to represent Rechtub.
What you say is all in the name of defence which gains nothing, you should write some facts about your defendants accomplishments to this nation. Anyone can deny truth, just ask Abbott he is an expert.

100 billion $ is not an amount to be proud of especially when we are in a catastrophic debt burden. O the predictions, the best of predictions are just that, it doesn't mean predictions have to come true. Lets remember Abbott is calling the shots.

We need a DD election as we were promised 2 years ago.

doog,

"100 billion $ is not an amount to be proud of especially when we are in a catastrophic debt burden..."

You're right, $100 billion is not an amount to be proud of, especially when there's precious little to show for it (like a recession avoiding stimulus)

However, we are not "in a catastrophic debt burden" now or when this mob came to power.

Again, here is a graph from the time of the election:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/3727694/data/possum-graph-8-government-debt-as-gdp-data.jpg

The "catastrophic debt burden" line was the Coalition's "get elected and use the first budget to screw the poor people mantra" - it had no connection with reality.

Btw, rehctub,

I note in the latest Newspoll that Shorten is on the nose - yet two-party referred Labor 53% - Coalition 47% (as per usual)