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Should We Pay People Smugglers?

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Dear O Sung Wu,

You expect me to give you answers when you supply
me with very little information. You provide no
statistics as to how many criminals you are talking
about in your arrests, and how many of them were
found to be actual asylum seekers after having been
properly assessed. Did these people come by boat
or by plane, were they visa-over-stayers - were they ever
in detention and under government scrutiny? What figures
are you talking about. How many asylum seekers that you
encountered were found to be criminals? Two, three?
out of how many people all up?

Of course there are people who abuse the system. Just
as there are people born in this country who abuse
the system.

However, kindly provide more information before I can
reply to you in any depth.

As for the opinion you have of me?

That is something over which I have no control.

I am sorry however, that I seem to have disappointed you
because I do respect your opinion.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 6 July 2015 11:23:39 PM
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Poirot,

Considering that your previous article from JB quoted asylum applications from air arrivals at 6000 in 2014, why are you quoting a higher No from 2011/12 as this shows that these claims are dropping too?

As for your assertion that "We send people back to Syria" perhaps you could disclose how many have been repatriated to Syria. I also suggest that you read the actual emails.

A queue is defined as "a line or sequence of people awaiting their turn to be attended to". In Indonesia there are people waiting on a list for residential visa based on quotas where preference is given to those longest on the list, which is a queue. That those entering Aus illegally get these spaces ahead of those following the correct procedures makes them queue jumpers.

Paul,

You have openly admitted to making inflammatory posts primarily to get a rise out of other posters. As the majority of your posts are of this variety with tediously unsubtle sarcastic and snide remarks being your trademark, this is the definition of a troll.

The louder you protest that I can't get under your skin, the less I believe you.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:19:55 AM
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SM,

"I posted those numbers from 2011-12 to counter your proposition that:

b) The numbers coming by air are still a tiny fraction of those coming by boat under the Juliar/Milne regime"

And now you cite 6,000 in 2014.

"Tiny fraction"

Lol!

Paul,

One thing I note about SM's style is his penchant, when the gloves are down and banter is neutral at odds times, when you feel like perhaps you have found a little common ground, he chooses that moment to come along and broadside you with derisive rhetoric....I won't be falling for that one again : )
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:41:35 AM
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"The louder you protest that I can't get under your skin, the less I believe you."

Shadow, a quote from Monty Python;

Brian: 'I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!'
Girl: 'Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.'
Brian: 'What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!'
Followers: 'He is! He is the Messiah!'
Brian: 'Now, f--- off!'
[Silence]
Arthur: 'How shall we f--- off, O Lord?'
THE LIFE OF BRIAN

I declare Shadow the winner in our verbal stoush. Just play 'Hope and Glory' and its all over. Collect your gold medal on the way out.

Very true comment there Poirot. That is SM all over.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:08:45 PM
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Poirot,

Considering that 50 000 came in a few short years by boat, the numbers in 2011 were just the beginning. For a period in 2013 there were 1000 boat arrivals a week. Secondly, about 60% of those coming by air were rapidly deported, so even if at one point in the debacles the numbers were the same, the consequences were a fraction.

As for broadsides, you are hardly one to talk with your unprovoked and partisan finger wagging.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:45:16 PM
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FOXY...Numbers, statistics I can't begin to enumerate precise figures. Enquiries revealed many arrived by boat, some by aircraft, ALL seeking protection ?

From my own empirical evidence, the numbers arrested were but a handful. Many of those named in the warrants had fled before the warrant(s) had been executed. Those who escaped apprehension were all associates of individuals we already had in custody, and ALL were asylum seekers, thus we had Immigration climbing all over us to ensure we treated them well ?

I'll never ever convince you FOXY, nor will I convince others who share your extraordinary benevolence towards these boat arrivals. I only wish you could see through my eyes what's actually happening with many of these (single) Middle Eastern males ?
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 2:28:09 PM
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