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ISIS Fighters Returning to Australia - Say What?
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Posted by Bazz, Friday, 29 May 2015 5:09:42 PM
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They went to fight for ISIS. Some people equate that to treason. I don't know if I agree with that but I do agree that people who want to fight for those murderous cnuts are not the sort of people we want should welcome back into Australia.
The war is still ongoing and now some of these murderous cnuts want to turn and run back to Australia with their tail between their legs. That is definitely a betrayal of the ISIS cause. In Dante's Inferno, the lowest level of hell is reserved for traitors. What should we do with those twice guilty of treason? Opening up a tenth circle of a fictional afterlife presents certain practical difficulties. Even if they're just garden variety traitors they're not the sort of people we want over here; if they're doubly treasonous than they deserve worse than freezing in Cocytus. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 29 May 2015 6:08:52 PM
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Bazz you are too kind hearted. Sharrouf's children are damaged psychologically in ways we cannot imagine. No family should be subjected to risking their children being in the presence of these kids. There is no telling how messed up these potentially brainwashed children might be, now or in the future. If they love their father they may literally turn out to be time bombs he sent back to Australia. Same goes for Sharrouf's wife; how do we know she is not planning to blow herself up spectacularly?
Toni,I agree with your comments in principal but I fear they are not returning to Australia with their tail between their legs; I think there is every possibility they are returning to do serious damage. We can never trust these ex-ISIS fighters/supporters to live among us; they have got to be kept out of Australia permanently. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Friday, 29 May 2015 6:43:43 PM
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Suse reads and recommends The Guardian. Now, there's a surprise.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 29 May 2015 7:27:42 PM
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One way I'd let them back. Heads on a plate. Looks like that just might happen. Saves us the trouble of a debate, ay.
Posted by Jayb, Friday, 29 May 2015 8:13:16 PM
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Notably those two nongs - The inimitable Abbott and his side-kick Dutton were rolled by the rest of cabinet on their nutty idea to give power to the Minister to strip sole Oz citizens of their citizenship.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-rolled-by-his-own-ministers-over-stripping-terrorists-of-citizenship-20150529-ghcuxf.html "Turnbull objected: "A person's citizenship is of enormous importance, intrinsic to themselves. Take me. The only people who've lived in Australia longer than my family are Aboriginal. I have no other identity. Are we seriously saying some minister could take my citizenship?" Only if you're a terrorist, was the rejoinder. "Only if you are someone the minister thinks is a terrorist," Turnbull corrected. This was Barnaby Joyce's central objection too – the lack of hard proof, the lack of a trial, the absence of a jury, the lack of real rigour in a decision to take away a basic human right. "Isn't that what we have courts for?" Joyce posed. The deputy leader of the National Party went to the heart of the matter: "If you don't have enough evidence to charge them in a court, how can you have enough evidence to take away their citizenship?" According to participants, Dutton replied: "That's the point, Barnaby. You don't need too much evidence. It's an administrative decision." This was too much for George Brandis: "I am the Attorney-General. It is my job to stand for the rule of law." Christopher Pyne was forceful on this point too: "This is a matter for the judiciary to decide, not the minister." The Education Minister was insistent on another point, too: "A sole Australian citizen, terrorist or not, is our responsibility. We can't wash our hands of the fact. We can't pretend they're not Australian when they are." Etc.... Posted by Poirot, Friday, 29 May 2015 9:14:03 PM
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They should go to a public school. The other kids might give them a
hard time for a while, but with a properly instructed teacher who
could watch for problems and who could explain to the pupils it should
enable them to recover from any of their mental problems.
The problem we have is that this is a new form of warfare, or at least
it is on a wider scale. The old UN rules of warfare no longer work and
need to be urgently rewritten.
As far as letting the wife back surely it would be a greater punishment
if she were forced to stay there rather than reside in one of our holiday camps.
Someone asked if ISIS issues passports, yes I saw a reference to that
but no country recognises them.