Suseonline "are we sure that this obviously nasty Isis fighter's wife and kids raped and killed others while overseas"

Nope. There is thought a strong case that she has actively supported him in actions intended to bring great harm to others.

If you read the first link I posted earlier a case exists (not proven in court) that she has lived in a home where slaves were kept and that the children were involved in abusing those slaves. I have no idea how we would get those slaves to testify in an Australian court though. There is also very clear evidence that those children have been involved in horrors that leaves me wondering what treatment/safeguards we could provide that would ensure they did not repeat the harm here at some future date.

As others have pointed out getting onto an international flight presents a range of opportunities to escape if she had previously been held hostage. Admittedly a difficult mental process if your whole adult like has been bound up in extremist religious views.

I do wonder though if it's all a moot point, I get the impression that it's not that easy to leave IS and return to western countries for those who have gone there. Not exactly a culture that's likely to be supportive of her apparent desire to return to Australia.

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Maybe if Ms Triggs sits on the case the terrorist could get a payout just like the guy that beat up his wife.

I think we can all see the point that Susieonline is making re innocent
until proven guilty.

The but however is that we are at war. ISIS declared that when they
advocated attacks on Australia, Australians, and on oil tankers on the
way to Australia.

I suspect that there is a problem with Australia declaring that a
state of war exists between Australia and the Islamic state when it is
not recognised as other than an organisation.

However, there is a war, so we should apply the laws of war so that
anyone going to fight with ISIS or support anyone fighting there, is
guilty of treason and possibly war crimes.
I wonder if execution is still on the books for treason ?

The above applies to those with Australian citizenship.
If they were born overseas and then obtained citizenship by swearing
the oath on the Koran, then that is invalid as the Koran allows them
to lie to infidels, and so they are not Australians.

As far as the children are concerned they should be handed to the
grandparents, with the mother having supervised access.

Would that arrangement make you happy Susie ?

Ordinarily we have the presumption of innocence. We put the burden on the prosecution to prove its case before the jury is asked to find the accused guilty. However, in the case of joining a known terrorist organisation overseas the prosecution is handicapped in getting evidence of guilt. It is reasonable in such a case to assume guilt. It should in such a case up to the accused to provide evidence of innocence. The Australian judiciary system is not equipped to handle such a case. However, if the children are Australian citizens they should be entitled to come back since they should not be weighted with the crime of their parents. If there is some way of getting the children back they should be allowed to return and be educated in an Australian public school. There should be no government funds supplied to religious schools of any religion. The government should not be in the business of promoting religion either by subsidies to religious schools or chaplains in the public schools.

We shouldn't strip these people of their citizenship because doing so would remove our ability to send them to prison. Justice must be done.

Also, if they come to the belated realisation that fighting for ISIS is wrong, we must avoid putting them in a situation where they feel they have no alternative but to continue fighting anyway.

Suse I know you are a kind hearted lady & are feeling for this woman. She is a White woman that has made a bad choice in life by most Australian standards.

However she made her choice of her own free will to become a moslem & she firmly believes in type of Islam that is not even compatible with moderate moslems in Australia. The risk of contamination of others is too great to allow her & her children to return. She & her children must be stripped of their Australian Citizenship & never allowed to return.

I suspect the real reason she wants to return is to recruit more fighters for ISIS.

I believe keeping anyone who wants to join ISIS must be allowed to leave Australia so they can never pose a risk to Australians of any description. They must NEVER be allowed to return.

No keep her & her kids out, permanently.