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ISIS Fighters Returning to Australia - Say What?

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Conservative Hippie "One lone wolf can do a whole lot of damage in the name of Allah and a car bomb."

And yet, they haven't in Australia yet, have they?

On the other hand we have had murders like those committed by Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat, not to mention the "bodies in a barrel" murders, committed by non-Muslims, just to name a few.

With only 2% population of Muslims in Australia, I would suggest we have more to worry about from crime gangs, and random gun-toting murderers than we do with 'jihadi's'.
All this scare campaign is aimed at gullible people like yourself, and now even Abbott's own senior party members are starting to see that.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 30 May 2015 4:33:55 PM
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How can you possibly be so confident Suse, that there won't be a deadly terrorist attack by a lone wolf radicalised Muslim on our shores? Internal security agencies all around the world are acting to defend their countries, and you just write off the possibility because "not all Muslims are bad."

1% of the 450,000 Muslims in Aus are extremist or fundamentalist we have 4,500 potential baddies. If 100+ have already shown their colours and joined ISIS overseas do you really think there aren't any staying back, to fight the war here? You are too smart and too old to be that naive.

Of course you also deny Monis was a terrorist; but what about the two guys that were caught planning an attack recently. Or the teenager who was planning to behead a policeman?

I am not gullible, I am awake; and you are choosing denial over reality. If, and hope I'm wrong, a serious terrorist attack happens in Australia, what are you going to say Suse... that even though the terrorists last words were Allah Akbar, he wasn't really a Muslim?

Finally, why didn't you confirm one way or the other whether returning Australian ISIS fighters should be locked up until a trial decides their fate. My bet, going on your track record is you'd prefer they are free on bail and back on welfare, with a tax payer funded attorney to boot.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Saturday, 30 May 2015 5:45:31 PM
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Conservative Hippie, I think I have already said somewhere that of course returning criminals, who have been proven to have committed crimes, should be jailed in Australia on their return.

I doubt anyone would deny that shoulld happen, whether the criminal was a Muslim fundamentalist, or a Christian abortion clinic murderer, or whoever.

My point is, why this hysteria re what could happen, when we have plenty of nasty criminal activities that are already happening?
I think too much is made of the race or religion of one small group in society, which says more about the paranoid accusers than the minority group in question.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 30 May 2015 7:24:28 PM
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I dont believe that choosing to return, with family or not, to their birth Country to join isis in their fight against humanity, should be condoned in any way shape or form. We all know what this terror group represents and how insanely murderous they are. Refusal of re-entery to Australia and revoking of Citizenship period. This group and other splinter groups feel and behave above the law, disrespect their own countries leaders and have thousands living in fear of their lives. I for one would not anyone who believes in and supports these extreme terrorists groups to enter our Country at all. To face charges, imprisonment, deportation whichever. They made their choices and the Australian people should not have to wear the costs and responsibility. Remember these are the people who readily kill missionaries and the like when they are there solely to try and save innocent lives. Our prisons are full of offenders of all sorts, probably a small portion of brutal murderers and many having committed crimes that are not even considered crimes to the likes of isis.
They are not innocent victims so they dont need saving, and are certainly not a positive to the Australian economy or civilized society. So yes SAY What?!
Posted by jodelie, Saturday, 30 May 2015 11:38:57 PM
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Just to add, this subject is not to do with racism or religionism? Or all bikies are crims or all priests are pedophiles. More comparable to the extremisms of the Klu Klux Clan or Hitlers brain washed Neo nazis, all of which have no place in modern society.
Posted by jodelie, Saturday, 30 May 2015 11:50:05 PM
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conservativehippie good comments.
I keep reading more on this subject and OLO comments. If we allow isis fighters back into Australia and send them to court how does this work? At who's expense, they are not going to swear on the bible, certainly not acknowledge the judge if its a female, and in the end admit to nothing because they dont respect infidels and their laws, they certainly do not fear them. Finally whatever inhumane acts they were a part of, they believe is their right and they are serving their God allah with %100 dedication.
Innocent til proven guilty seems inapplicable in this case. The guilty verdict was immediate once they joined isis. I dont believe there would be many 'innocents' in a group like this other than young ones in training.
As they are going to their country of origin to kill their own country men, women and children, they should be dealt with by their own laws and government. The govt and military need to strengthen up, step up and take control. Stop enabling these terrorist groups. Start prosecuting and eliminating. Their punishments i would imagine are very tough as is their environment, but Im guessing their prisons would not hold many rapists or child molesters, top dogs and terrorist criminals, more likely poor petty criminals who have nothing and no power whatsoever.
We are from different worlds, accepted behaviours in their society (crimes against females for eg.)are reprehensible to us and we are spending millions $$ in raising awareness, assistance in the hope of wiping it out. Any member of isis is part of a major criminal gang with the mentality and intentions that are not acceptable by the other 99% of humanity. Therefore they must be be dealt with in their own country, by their own leaders. All power status and weapons removed and convicted as the criminals that they are.
Some people dont really seem to have grasped who isis are and what they really do to suggest any innocence. Please keep them out.
Posted by jodelie, Sunday, 31 May 2015 1:07:12 AM
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