In terms of cost versus potential benefits, I don't think that building the odd desal plant is such a bad idea. Cities are growing and rainfall can be unpredictable. If Perth had not built a couple of desalt plants, the place would be stuffed and a big city running out of water, would not be a pretty sight.

spindoc does it ever occur to you what a particularly unpleasant person you are. Insult for the hell of it rather than reasoned discussion and no evidence to back up your claims. Sad way to be I think.

R0bert

"World headed for an El Nino and it could be a big one...."

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/world-headed-for-an-el-nino-and-it-could-be-a-big-one-scientists-say-20150507-ggw8bo.html

more soothsaying thanks Poirot

Hasbeen, I had a drive for an hour of a Nissan Leaf and there is at
least one of your points that I can put your mind at ease.
The performance was outstanding.

I have had various Holdens, Toyotas, Mitsubishis and Volvos.
I am not a petrol head, but I have never driven a car with as great an
acceleration as that electric Nissan Leaf. Of course this is the
fundamental advantage of the electric motor.
The Tesls S does 3.4 sec for 100mph. Is that good ?
Of course none of the hot shot petrol cars can out perform the best
electric cars.
I realise you have been a dinasour racer and I guess you would miss the VROOOOMMM VVRROOOMM.
The Tesla S is of course another scale altogether whereas the Leaf is
a commuter car.
A friend has a Mitsubishi iMEV. Don't like the look of it much but it
goes very well indeed and he has had it two years now and drives it
to work every day and weekends and it costs him 0.13 cents per km to
run it and so far service charges are zero.

His wife drives their other car to work and if they want to make
a country trip they take that car.

So if we can get past the GARO, The Great Australian Ripoff, we may
be able to buy them at a sensible price. I notice the government is
changing the rules to enable private purchase of cars from overseas.
There is no government subsidy in Australia.

‘morning R0bert,

<< spindoc does it ever occur to you what a particularly unpleasant person you are.>>

Of course it does R0bert. Those who crash the “green bubble world” with reality are conditioned to believe we are deniers, heretics, flat Earthers and mentally ill.

You ask for evidence to back up my claims, if you want a bit more reality try this;

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3132996-the-silliness-of-teslas-10kwh-back-up-battery

There are no “market ready” green solutions because they all rely on distorting that market. Tariffs, levies, green investment money, taxes, renewables certificates, government subsidies (public money), UN Green Climate Fund (GCF) and preferential legislation.

When such technologies can stand on their own they will be market ready and an effective alternative to fossil fuels.

Sadly, the global markets are now withdrawing tariffs, levies, tax breaks and government subsidies. Green investment money is now high risk and drying up. Three out of the worlds four emissions trading markets have closed, including Al Gores’ Chicago Exchange in 2012. The Last remaining market is the EU/UN market which has collapsed by 98% since 2008.

The Global Renewable Industry index RENNIX collapsed in March 2013, Europe’s largest energy provider EDF has sold off its loss making renewables division and the worlds larges Solar Panel company in China is now bankrupt.

The UN announced this week that donor nations had failed to meet there promises to the GCF. $100m a year promised, $4.0m actual, Oops!

Here’s the breakdown of how well green energy is actually doing in the USA:

Bankrupt Green Energy Companies that received substantial federal and/or state subsidies:

• Beacon Power Corp: Received $43 million in federal loan guaranteed in 2009 and also received $29 million in PA grants – Bankrupt in October 2011
• Ener1 (parent company of EnerDel): Received $118.5 million in federal loan guarantees — Bankrupt in January 2012 – has since exited bankruptcy
• Evergreen Solar: Received $58 million in MA loan guarantees (an undisclosed portion sourced from federal ARRA block grant) — Bankrupt in August 2011 with $485.6 million in debt.

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