Foxy, trying to calm the argument ?
Yes, a major change to the way we run our economies is coming and it is
surprising how many people understand the problem.

One of the earliest on the scene was the Transition Town movement which
has now gone world wide. There are a number of groups in Australia.
The first one was formed in Totnes in Cornwall.
Transition Town tries to shift as much as possible to local businesses.
They have even made their own currency called the Totnes Pounds.
You can purchase them at the local bank and circulate in the district
and it tends to keep resources in the town.

There is a lot of discussion about co-ops and similar schemes and how
to adapt to the decline in growth. The decline in growth has massive
implications for the financial system which relies on credit to function.
Credit of course relies on growth to provide the funds to repay debt.

Government, both of them, do not accept that, publically, even though
they have been told by their own depts, and others, that the economy
cannot continue as is with a declining growth as a permanent condition.

Enough commers there Poirot ?

Bazz,

"Enough commers there Poirot ?"

That's "commas".

You're welcome : )

Flannery soon learn't his lesson, he then went on to retrospective predictions only. He would tell us that what happened (Only bad of course) was caused by Global Warming see. Brilliant!
I recently learned he is taking money, with Al Gore, from Richard Branson who can see a quid in environment action but from his executive jet plane of course.
You mugs might be happy to enrich these thieving frauds but I would like to see them all in the stocks!

All sorts of different experts have argued that
the promise of sustainability lies in the balance.
Do we fall downwards over the precipice or take
our boat onto the peaceful ocean?

As Tor Hundloe points out -

"That a few have overcome scarcity means little if the
majority live in poverty. The developing nations and the
poverty-stricken Third World have
to be lifted to a middle-class standard.
No steady-state economy for them until their
standards are dramatically lifted. This is imperative and
it is achievable; but, most importantly, it will not be
sustainable with an expected world-population of over nine
billion. We will overshoot - and probably seriously - the
globe's carrying capacity. We will then suffer for ages, as
will the natural world, until we can reduce the human
population and return our ecosystems to sustainable health."

Hundloe makes it quite clear that once the human population
peaks, the sooner we reduce the total numbers, via sensible birth
control (to probably half the nine billion), the less
environmental damage we will need to repair. We can do this.
Population decline is already occurring in the First World.
Lets not allow the pro-population growth advocates to talk us into
their nonsense.

Foxy
I have read in several places that the life style, there's that phrase
again, in the first and third worlds must merge together.
It is said it will be done by falling standards in the first world and
rising standards in the third together with lower longlivity and
lower birthrate which unfortunately will be brought about by lower
nutrition rates, if not starvation.

We have a 2nd world example to watch and see how it applies to Egypt.
They have a falling standard of living and must dispense with 45
million of their people. Will they do it with lower birthrate,
starvation or forced emigration.
If they chose emigration, then I can see the current situation in the
Mediterranean being repeated on a much larger scale.
It could cause a very bitter war for resources at a very fundamental level.

Hasbeen,
I dare you to take your foolish assertions to the more remote regions of NSW and QLD where farmers have been waiting for years of what used to be "normal rain".

The time for debate with those who do not "get" climate change are history. Debate with such people serves no value.

The world is now concentrating on how to mitigate impacts, how to adapt to changing climate. Except for Australia, where ill informed and somewhat dumb leaders are taking us in the reverse direction.
Cheers