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What kind of a leader is Bill Shorten?
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Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 9:05:56 PM
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Dear Bazz,
Thank You. No I did not unfortunately, see that film. I wanted to very much - but we opted for the film "Into the Woods," with Meryl Streep instead, much to my regret. I'll try to get hold of the film on DVD. Again Thank You for explaining things to me. You've now aroused my interest to do some more research on Turing. He sounds interesting. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 9:18:56 PM
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Foxy, I have for many years read how the Americans were supposed to
have invented the digital computer and looking through the list of winners of the Turing prize I can see why. The association was formed in the US in 1966 and awarded its first prizes. However Bletchley Park and everything that happened there was still secret. A late workmate of mine worked at Farnborough with Turing on the ACE computer in the late 1940s. The Ace was a stored program computer and used mercury delay lines as memory. Mercury delay line memories were used early in the war on UK radars. Even for sometime after the war the Brits were well ahead with computers. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 9:45:01 PM
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What kind of a leader is Bill Shorten? Is that a loaded question or what?
I don't believe the question was raised as unbiasedly as described "I thought it would be interesting to find out what people thought of the leader of the opposition - Mr Bill Shorten and the members of his team. It would also be helpful to learn the reasons for people's opinions - and why, or if, they prefer (hint, hint) one leader over the other." Foxy clearly had an agenda and couldn't wait for the opportunity to go on to say "I guess Bill Shorten is a bit of a mystery to many people. Although, to me at least, he does appear to have some key attributes necessary for leadership." And then - "What a contrast these expressed views are to our current PM's pit-bull tactics and so many of his expressed views on a variety of issues." Examples please? Bill Shorten is NOT a good leader, he is bland, unoriginal and even less charismatic than Ban Ki-Moon, if that's possible. If we end up in the unfortunate position of Shorten one day being our Prime Minister, I hope Foxy will re-raise the same discussion after he has been in Office six months. Posted by ConservativeHippie, Thursday, 26 March 2015 8:58:18 AM
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Hip, don't worry Bill Shorten may one day joint this illustrious list of Aussie Polys;
Frank Tudor Matthew Charlton John latham Arthur Calwell Billy Snedden Bill Hayden Andrew Peacock Alexander Downer Kim Beazly Simon Crean Mark Latham Brendan Nelson Malcolm Turnbull is yet to make the list but like Bill Shorten is a possibility. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:54:05 AM
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Dear Bazz,
What an interesting time it must have been for that friend of yours who worked at Farnborough with Turing. I'm not surprised that the Brits were well ahead with computers. They are an amazing and resourceful people. My in-laws and members of my extended family are Brits, and they are awesome. Again Thank You for opening some new research for me. Dear ConservativeHippie, Contrary to your thinking I did not have an agenda in starting this discussion. I'm not that clever or calculating. I usually tend to fly by the seat of my pants and go with the flow - depending on what other posters write. I dug deep, researched Mr Shorten and found a different persona to the one we all see on TV. All written by political correspondents - which I thought would be of value in response to seeing how little in fact most of us knew about the man. Now whether Mr Shorten would make a good leader - who knows? we'll have to wait and see and I most certainly intend to comment on his leadership - should he ever get into power. To answer your request about giving examples of our current Prime Minister's pit bull tactics? David Marr confirms in the link given below - that "years ago when Tony Abbott entered parliament he was keen to be a "junkyard dog savaging the other side." He was magnificently. Marr points out that "the junkyard dog united a shattered Coalition and proved himself the most resourceful leader of an opposition in 50 years..." Marr confirms that the Prime Minister's problem is - "not the captain's picks, not his failure to consult, nor the micromanagement of the cabinet by his office", but his failure to grow. Marr says that "Abbott is not the brawling kid he was at university (although many would disagree)... but to an uncomfortable degree he remains the man recruited in his teens by the conservative fanatic BA Santamaria..." Mr Abbott needs to change. If he can't, according to David Marr the dog metaphors are too grim to contemplate. http://www.theguardian.com/australian-news/2015/feb/06/tony-abbott-is-in-trouble-because-he-never-let-the-junkyard-dog-go Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 26 March 2015 11:35:42 AM
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concept of the stored program computer.
His proposition was that was that it should be possible to design a
machine with which you could engage in conversation and you would not
be able to tell if it was a person or the computer with which or whom
you were conversing.
The prize is awarded every year by the Association for Computing
Machines for advances in computing technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Award
Alan Turing was the man who with others cracked the German Enigma machine.
You might have seen the recent film, The Imitation Game about Turing
and Bletchley Park.