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Malcolm Fraser dies after short illness - aged 84.
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 22 March 2015 8:13:27 PM
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Go away Jay.
Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 22 March 2015 8:25:59 PM
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Fox,
With Labor notables Bob Hawke, Paul Keating and others worshipping Mal Fraser as the best Labor PM since John Curtin - with the added bonus that Big Mal reeled in Labor spending as well - the only question remaining is who will be telling Gough to get his butt out of the big seat in heaven to make way for Mal, their borrowed hero. Still, the cupboard is bare where heroes of socialism are concerned, with the last two PMs being that ruddy fool Kevin747 and Galah'd (with thanks to Obama who did get her name right), with that bobble-headed jackass, L'il Willie Shorten aka 'Whatever she says' blocking the Labor leadership. Interesting times when the leftists not only admit they were always wrong about Fraser, but that he was always a great bloke and their hero. What about all of those rotten things they said about him? Well, apparently leftists do treat their loved ones that way, just ask Kevin Rudd. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 22 March 2015 10:06:47 PM
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"Still, the cupboard is bare where heroes of socialism are concerned, with the last two PMs being that ruddy fool Kevin747 and Galah'd (with thanks to Obama who did get her name right), with that bobble-headed jackass, L'il Willie Shorten aka 'Whatever she says' blocking the Labor leadership."
It's laughable, really it is. Here we have in the Abbott govt, the most extraordinary ineptitude. If one set out to construct a satire of a bumbling inept govt, one couldn't surpass the reality of the real thing. It's startling.... Headlines like this abound - from AFR: "Being governed by fools is not funny" "A bit like the old story of the frog that gets boiled alive because the temperature of the water in which it sits rises only gradually, we don't seem to quite be able to take in the growing realisation that we actually are being governed by idiots and fools, or that this actually has real-world consequences. We finish the week with a Prime Minister who has lost his bundle and is making policy and political calls that go beyond reckless in an increasingly panicked and desperate attempt to save himself; a government that has not just utterly lost its way but its authority; and important policy debates left either as smouldering wrecks or unprosecuted." http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/laura-tingle/being-governed-by-fools-is-not-funny-20150319-1m2wd1 Posted by Poirot, Monday, 23 March 2015 1:13:14 AM
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Poirot,
Malcolm Fraser at least sent Alan Cadman to talk to me about warnings of world ocean fish depletion and malnutrition amongst seafood dependent people. To my knowledge, no other leader has shown any interest in relevant solutions. Debate is virtually impossible to get underway even here on OLO where there are also frogs in the water beginning to boil. So MF was more understanding and compassionate and sensible than some people alive today, here on OLO. PM Malcolm Fraser also responded to my request for fairness to allow a promised tax deduction for investors in the Australian film industry. His treasurer John Howard had amended the legislation to allow a deduction the year after the investment in film production was made. I asked Howard to be fair but he said there was nothing he could do. I said there must be somebody who can help, and Howard replied by giving me the PM’s location the next day, a Saturday. I sent a telegram to a Robin Moore of the PM’s staff and gave a briefing by phone. Two days later on the Monday, PM Fraser made an amendment to the amendment and the deduction for the same year was allowed. So PM Fraser was fair and decent, especially to an ordinary citizen like me. I think now there is need for honesty and decency and teamwork to address the numerous problems society is now faced with. Questions that need to be answered should be answered without politics scaring researchers or influencing the answer. There is need for teamwork locally, nationally and internationally. Take the Middle East bloodshed. If most workers there had $100 a day take home pay, there would be no such unrest and fighting. People would be busy earning their income to buy food, instead of fighting. If you study the world situation of WORSENING hardship it appears world war is inevitable, and soon. Hardship is causing violence and recrimination. Governments already have to contend with civil unrest and war. I think Malcolm Fraser did his best. His name deserves respect. We should all do our best. Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 23 March 2015 6:32:36 AM
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Foxy, Beach is a supporter of The Australia First Party and is rather smitten with the fanatical raving, we can not call it policy, of fearless leader the party boss, Jim Saleam. Beach is particularly warm to party ideology and Jim's rantings where it involves non white immigration to this country, he, like boss Jimbo, simply detests it.
Beach does exhibit an overly fixated view of The Green, particularly Sarah Hanson-Young, has old Beach developed a unhealthy interest in young Sarah Hanson-Young and her cute policies, both of them? Is old Beach and admirer from afar, or more precisely from behind his keyboard? We can only speculate, unless of course old Beach comes clean on the subject. Beach is rather shy when it comes to answering questions, we can only try, here goes! Old Beach me lad, do you have the hots for young Sarah? Old Beach, do you want to romp in Green fields with young Sarah Hanson-Young? Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 23 March 2015 7:04:18 AM
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If you don't want to talk about Nazis why bring them up in the first place? Godwin's law is commonly held to be the indicator that a discussion thread has outlived it's original purpose and in an online argument the first person to mention the war is automatically the loser.
It's not madness to quote facts as factual but it's utterly insane to hold onto fiction, or worse, Soviet propaganda as the basis of an argument.
I'll concede the points made in this article, Fraser was a pinko but he opposed the neocons and that's his only shot at redmption:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/malcolm-frasers-late-burkeanism/