Dear O Sung Wu,

We've seen on this forum that people in
different walks of life can interpret the
same phenomenon - whether its a Prime
Minister's policies, a religious doctrine,
of anything else - in very different ways.
In other words, people tend to see things
from a viewpoint of subjectivity - an
interpretation based on personal values and
experiences.

Our views are shaped by what our past experience has
prepared us to see and by what we consciously or
unconsciously want to see.

Your experience is different from mine. As I
stated earlier I had the pleasure of meeting him
several times under different circumstances - and
found him to be a very approachable and inspiring
man. As Nelson Mandela stated - "A good head and
a good heart are always a formidable combination."

The following website may be of interest:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/former-pm-malcolm-fraser-loved-a-beer-with-average-joe-on-election-campaign-trail/story-fniOfit3-1227275545047

Which shows that Malcolm Fraser was a man of many different
sides. (As most people are).

Paul,
Sadly for the law abiding Jews of the time the people their Communist brothers were antagonising weren't a bunch of mentally unstable,low IQ Arabs and their attacks on the German people blew up in their faces in spectacular and gruesome fashion.
Are you asking me whether I think the NS were justified in allowing the German people their revenge upon the people who'd all but destroyed their society?
To cut a long story short, yes, the ordinary Jews paid the price for the actions of Jewish communists and criminals but then again so did the German people suffer because of the actions of the NS and their supporters.
Unlike you I can't separate the war up into blocks, in the interests of their own survival the Germans were right to liquidate European Jewry, but I can't condemn the actions of the people of Eastern Europe in 1945-47, by the same token it was in their interests to liquidate the German ethnic group from their soil.
Jewish activists tried to destroy Germany and German culture, National Socialist activists tried to destroy the nations and cultures of Eastern Europe, it's impossible to say one was worse than the other.
I wouldn't be much of a racist if I just focused on one aspect of the war and judged one side more leniently than the other, would I?

(Do) I (Jay) think the NS were justified in allowing the German people their revenge upon the people who'd all but destroyed their society? YES YES YES YES YES!

Well Jay justified in murdering millions of innocent people, men women and children! Not only did they murder German Jews they also murdered millions of Jews from all over Europe including Poland, France and many other countries. What was their crime? They also murdered Gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally and physically retarded, POW's anyone and everyone they took a dislike to.

The rest of your post is absolute garbage!

Jay, I support you right to think and say what you like, but anyone who finds this garbage repugnant please let you thoughts be known.

JOM: What I understand from your post is that only Jews were Communist, that's why they murdered them. No ordinary Germans were Communists, is that right? Could have been worded better. You have let anger cloud your thoughts.

Jayb, No, Jews were targeted as a group because of the crimes of some of their number, not just Communists it's exactly the same mentality displayed by the Eastern Europeans in their mass murder and expulsion of millions of Germans after the war.
As a racist myself it's a perfectly rational and comprehensible outlook, I'm not "insane" and neither were the NS leadership...nor the Zionists in 1948,the Zimbabweans in the 1970's, the Sudanese in the 1990's etc. To expel an alien or unwanted group there has to be some plausible pretext for the action, the accusations made by the NS against the Jews had their basis in fact, some Jews were actively trying to destroy Germany, they were involved in organised crime and they did dominate academia, the media and the legal system.
Everything Goebbels said in public regarding the Jews was true up to a point,it wasn't true of all Jews of course but the final solution was intended to prevent any Jew from ever being a problem in Europe again, it had no other objective beyond that.
In the end the NS program was found wanting and far from changing the face of Europe to some Aryan utopia it would undoubtedly have led Europeans down exactly the same path they now walk, multiculturalism, mass immigration, destruction of the nations, out of control socialism and a PC police state, that's why we racists describe the Third Reich as "The first EU".

Jay, I do not believe you can justify the unjustifiable by pointing to past or future wrongs committed by others. There is no direct relationship between the action of Nazi's in Germany 1930's-40's and say the Zimbabweans in the 1970's, although one could find some common elements. It is a nonsense to claim one of the crimes was being dominate in academia, the media and the legal system, you forgot to add the financial system as well. If the action of a few justifies retribution against the many, then you could say the United States would have been justified in the 1920's-30's in persecuting Italian/Americans as many of their "race" were involved in organised crime. Closer to home, Australia would be justified in persecuting Muslims today because some of their number are involved in criminal acts.
Hitler had already formulated an irrational hatred of Jews long before his rise to power, which gave him, and the like minded the opportunity to firstly scapegoat a minority, and then persecute that minority, using the state apparatus. Just to digress, can you explain why the Gypsies had to be exterminated. The crime of Gypsies was being different, Nazi's would murder anyone they did not like.
There is absolutely no evidence that National Socialism through success would have lead to a Europe or a world today, as you put it "it would undoubtedly have led Europeans down exactly the same path they now walk, multiculturalism, mass immigration, destruction of the nations, out of control socialism and a PC police state". Yes, there is much that is wrong with the world today, but I speculate that had these fanatical extremists been successful the world for the vast majority would be a meaner and darker place than it now is, assuming our forefathers had survived some form of ethnic cleansing, as imposed on society by these radicals.
The relevance for today is that the same people, although often presenting under the guise of being conservative moderates, would do very much the same, given the opportunity, that is the nature of the beast.