No Jayb, nothing to do with PC, just repugnant and disgusting.

Craig, I think you'll find it has everything to do with PC, I've explained my position over and over, ignore the lies and postwar fiction,ignore anything written by aggrieved parties with an axe to grind, focus on what's known and not make assumptions, check everything against the world as we know it.
Explain to the group why you will only accept the Stalinist view of WW2?
See when you start chopping and changing, cherry picking bits and pieces from a movement here and a social phenomenon there you can tend to look a bit of a dill, like Fraser or for that matter the majority of post 1945 politicians.
So you're a liberal humanitarian whose view of history and standards for propriety in argument is based on adherence to Stalin's war propaganda? Interesting.

Foxy: Dear Jayb,I know you've got a great big heart. I just wish you'd show it to us more often on this forum.

Thank you Foxy. Attached to this big heart is a clear head. I to, would like to help the entire World, stop starvation, clean water, a job for everyone, no fighting or violence & no Religion too. Unfortunately, the reality is, it just will never happen, & we, as humans, have to accept that. Even though that hurts our hearts.

Too much of the Aid that is spread throughout the World is squandered, wasted, diverted, misused & Administered away. A few years ago Malcom Fraser, as Director or CEO of his Charity, went to an African Country to give out Aid to a School. (Photo Op) His entourage, Flights, Car hire, Security, 5 Star Top Suit, Hotel, etc, not to mention his flight home & back for his Daughters Birthday, cost tens of thousands of Dollars more than the piffling amount of Aid being distributed. This is what breaks my heart.

They don't care, as long as someone is giving them something for free & they really don't appreciate it when the last Media car drives out of the Compound. That's when the head man steps in & confiscates everything for his family. If the Country is Islamic then Allah has provided it. We have just paid our Jizyah Tax, as we should have, &, about time too & hurry back with more.

I have seen what the locals think of our Aid & us first hand. I've told you about my adventures with Aid in Malaysia previously.

Yes I have a heart, but, I have a head too.

I was of two minds whether to send this comment, or simply let it alone ? Anyway the decision is now made - I'm a dyed in the wool old Liberal from several centuries past, however Mr FRASER, a notable political figure no doubt, will never rate very high with me. However that said, I feel sorry for his wife Tammy and his extended family.

Firstly and by far the most consequential and momentous, it was he who was the major, international player who assisted that homicidal, but highly educated, misfit, Robert (Bobby) MUGARBE wresting power from PM Ian SMITH in Rhodesia ? Turning the most productive food producing nation in the entire African Continent, into a despotic dust bowl, occasioning thousands upon thousands of dead, at the hands of this awful man ?

Secondly and by far, less important, I was being punished for some alleged 'imaginary' administrative crime, by drawing close protection duties. On this occasion it was for Mr Fraser and his wife Tammy. On the various instances I needed to speak with him, I found him positively aloof, arrogant, and extremely 'icy', to a point I felt I was being dismissed on each episode ?

Not so Mrs Tammy FRASER, a really elegant beautifully spoken lady, with exemplary manners, and you felt she actually heard you, whenever you spoke with her ?

The only other political figure I found worse, was Gareth EVANS former Labour Minister, with the Foreign Affairs portfolio, who generally speaking didn't rate close protection, unless he was subject to a 'threat Assessment' ? With his attitude towards police who were tasked to take a bullet for him (pardon the dramatics, but it's fact!) you'd think he'd be a little more agreeable ? Politicians eh ?

Still, perhaps I'm quite wrong about Mr FRASER, as I've heard many others speak well of him ?

Before I finally leave this thread here's a
poem that I wish to share. It's by Mary Elizabeth
Frye:

"Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there, I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that blow
I am the diamond glints on snow
I am the sun on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain

When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight
I am the soft stars that shine at night
Do not Stand at my grave and cry
I am not there I did not die."

Paul
Australia First is basically old Labor as you well know, it espouses the progressive values of the late 19th century, they're not conservatives at all. Don't you think it a bit fishy that "Neo Nazism" always seems to rear it's head when the Liberals are in power? After all National Action grew under Fraser, the Palmer Coleman gang arrived with Howard and now we have Marcus Cornish and a re-animated Ross May spruiking "Squadron 88". I don't think it's a coincidence that at every turn these "Nazis" attack Australia First and other patriotic groups and leave the Lefties, the Jews and the minorities alone, do you?