Yuyutsu,

"The problem is when you attempt to enforce your society's internal agreements over others outside, who never consented to belong. The other problem is that you wrongly assert that everyone living on this continent must implicitly wish to belong to your society. At least with Muslims this seems not to be the case."

Like it or not, in a democracy, yes, there IS one society, and the laws which we or our representatives have agreed to are the laws applying to, and protecting, everybody.

There aren't many societies in the one country - many communities, yes, but only one society with one set of laws, of which we are all, good or bad, like it or not, belong to and contribute to, one way or another. Australia isn't, thank Christ, some backward, feudal society in which each group stays behind its walls and practises its own laws against its 'own' inmates. All for one, and one for all.

Joe

Dear Joe,

<<in a democracy, yes, there IS one society,>>

With due respect, you have it backwards:

No democracy can exist without a society - first comes a society, then it may possibly implement a democracy within.

Now once you already have a society, by consent, then democracy is a feature that is nice to have, but the question of society's existence comes first.

Grabbing a group of people and telling them "you are now a society", whether they like it or not, is clearly a form of violence - and violence is not on, it is just wrong, morally illegitimate. What makes you then consider this situation as better than feudalism? Whether the jail is bigger or smaller, both share the very same evil!

<<and the laws which we or our representatives have agreed to are the laws applying to, and protecting, everybody.>>

Unless we agree to be part of the game, we have no representatives, so neither us nor our non-existent "representatives" agreed to any laws. How would you call a situation when we are being "protected" by a group we never wanted to be protected by, against things we never wanted to be protected against? Even rape can be construed as "protecting us against remaining virgins"!

Dear Banjo,

Some people are going to break our laws
and keep things hidden no matter what.
All we can do is go according to our laws.
We aren't going to know ahead of
time which people are going to break our laws
therefore trying to prejudge what people are going to do,
and which people are going to do it, is extremely
difficult because as I stated earlier - this is a
global problem and its one that is not just confined
to one special group.

We need to make our laws very
clear to people and also as I stated earlier - with
education - and living in this country hopefully young girls
will grow up to realise the freedoms that they're entitled
to - probably the next generation of women will not
comply with forced marriages and will tell their parents
to go jump - this is Australia. In the meantime we have
our laws - and hopefully time will take care of the rest.

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

I'm glad that we can agree on some things. ;-)

Dear Foxy,

<<living in this country hopefully young girls
will grow up to realise the freedoms that they're entitled
to - probably the next generation of women will not
comply with forced marriages and will tell their parents
to go jump - this is Australia.>>

I am glad that we can agree on some things:

Should a girl of any age wish to disconnect from her family, telling them to "go jump" and connect with the state instead, seeking its protection and avoiding forced marriages, this will be a good and welcome outcome and when that happens the girl should indeed be protected.

However, the girl must want so and make the decision herself.

Yuyutsu, Hmmm are you sure you have recovered from your head operation ?
Bit illogical there tonight.
When the first people came they made their rules as by majority.
When the second people came they made their rules as by majority.
When the third people came they made their rules as by majority and
that is the way it is now.

So that is way it is and it has always been like that throughout history.
We have made the rules, so live with it !

One rule we have is we do not tolerate intolerance.

Even tolerance must be limited. We do not allow forced marriages.
We do not allow lots of things, and that is the law.

So what sort of a copper were you ?
Made your own rules did you ?

Here here Banyo, it's time we overhaul our limp wristed political correctness approach to anyone who chooses to come here then proceed to implement their ways, ignoring our laws.

Our laws were there before they came, it's just that we have so many soft cocks in this country that we have become the push over we are. It seams our authorities would rather investigate some little old lady for suspected welfare abuse, than protect our own people against the lunatics within these so called Australians.

As I say, while multiculturalism is not a huge problem, muslimism is.