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What would you do?

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O Sung Wu, as you know, normally I do not approve of such violent behavior, by police on duty or off duty, but in this case I can only give your action my tick of approval. Gee, they could drum me out of The Greens for that. LOL Thanks for the story.
Some times the worm turns, a while back at the bus stop an old bloke who looked about 90, and 5 stone ringing wet, sitting on a seat. A young bloke lit up a fag next to him. One word led to another and the kid called the the old man a f'n old c, well that was a mistake, the old bloke had a walking stick and did he go to town with it, people had to save the young bloke from a right thumping. I think you would have charged the old bloke with assault, as it was a one sided contest. I told the kid now p off, before he gets stuck into you again, he retreated to the other side of the street, and from a safe distance hurled verbal abuse at all and sundry. Then the bus came and we all go on, minus the kid.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 January 2015 7:21:56 AM
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Decent people may not like it, but the minorities and the great unwashed have been allowed considerable concessions and advantage by politicians and governments concerned to secure votes in marginal seats. They have rights! Yours are limited. That is the switch of recent decades. Tres 'Progressive'!

In the case of what used to be regarded as indecent language in a public place, and a lawyer would easily prove a difference between the environment, ambiance and 'public' nature of a licensed club and a fast food outlet, an offender can choose whatever foul language s/he likes and get away with it. I am sure many here would have heard of

'Fs', 'Cs' and whatever else are fine according to magistrates, particularly those appointed under Labor administrations. There are many examples where magistrates have rules accordingly and that includes the foul language, jostling too, that it apparent OK to inflict on police and public servants. That includes ambos, nurses, doctors and so on.

Where a public servant has replied verbally even mildly in kind, that is an open invitation for some magistrates to dismiss alleged manhandling and assault of the public servant by the offender.

I am not going to list cases because there are plenty in all jurisdictions.
to be continued..
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 22 January 2015 10:44:09 AM
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continued..

When when you support the rude, baying audiences on talk shows like Q&A who cat-call guests, when you permit the loudest voice to influence your local MLA and you exercise your vote according to habit, that is the deal you end up with. It is the continual minor concessions, although there have been some major changes too in recent decades, that change your social environment and quality of life.

We cannot as a community cut the legs out from under police for instance and then expect them to enforce good order where and when it suits us.

Regrettably, any who put the problem back onto the youthful manager of the fast food outlet, or would lodge a formal complaint to the central office (that would only come back on the burger flippers who desperately need their jobs), are kidding themselves and duck-shoving IMHO. If the manager can sweet talk and bluff the offenders so be it, but the manager would normally have weighted that one up.

A call to the police would be treated as a joke, because offenders know the response (none) for a trivial offence and the response time (too late) where they use a chair or boots on the manager or you.

Frankly it is NOT smart either allowing one's false pride or chutzpah to take over to challenge or 'tell off' offenders. Choose your marks carefully. If an approach is to work at all it must be oil on troubled waters, not petrol. However even a mild approach is a golden invitation for a feral and his/her waiting gang to sort you out too.

Later, a magistrate in an air-conditioned court with top security (and brooking no offence to herself) will, with the benefit of hindsight and huge optimism, inform you that as a citizen it was YOU who should have taken every care and YOU are responsible for contributing to the affray that resulted in your brain damage. Insurers will agree and you are on your own.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 22 January 2015 10:46:32 AM
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unfortunatley otb what you say is true. I know its off the topic but Paul and one or two others suggested that a better place to take old people is a local bowls/football club. While I don't feel strongly about it their is something inside of me that objects to clubs taking Pensioners incomes on poker machines and then giving them a five buck lunch. I knew one guy who worked in a well known Casino who tells me some old women would rather wet their pants than leave the poker machine which is about to give the payout. Funny how many give Maccas the thumbs down on morality but are happy to support the gambling industry. I suppose we all have double standards without realising it.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 22 January 2015 11:53:17 AM
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runner,

Thank you for your very civil response.

I see nothing wrong with Maccas establishments: no-fuss, fast, set menu, reasonable prices and usually clean toilets. Usually there is good, quick access which helps. That is their successful business model.

All decent people feel there is no effective remedy to the incivility that is all too common. Sadly, it is also behaviour that is also modelled by people who regard themselves as leaders and by TV personalities.

It is just a bit unlucky that your visit was marred by inconsiderate, selfish oafs. None of us was on the spot. There is no 'good' remedy.

I tend to avoid most clubs because the gambling is too intrusive. I share your view that it adds to social problems.

You are right about double standards. There is a lot of compartmentalised thinking around.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 22 January 2015 12:27:43 PM
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G'day there PAUL1405 & ONTHEBEACH...

Hi there PAUL1405...

What you say is quite true. Violence usually begets violence as the saying goes. My actions were foolish, though I was younger and less 'controlled' then in later years, nevertheless if I'd really hurt this bloke the ramifications would've be enormous for me at least. I'd have done my job, and career. Moreover I could've ended up in the 'slammer', because in those days, I had regular professional fight, usually at the South Sydney Juniors Leagues Club (with the express permission of the Commissioner of Police) so the ramifications, as I said, could've been very serious indeed ! A moment of pure satisfaction, would destroy completely, a lifetime career, as well as ruining my good name and character !

Hi ONTHEBEACH...

Your comments concerning Magistrates, is again spot on my friend ! One '..............' a former Magistrate, would never accept a 'charge proved' of 'unseemly words' or 'offensive language' offered up by police, particularly if the person charged was indigenous ! She stated the F and C word, was in common usage, as such a police officer could not be offended by the use of these words ? She was an absolute shocker, and a disgrace to the image of the entire judiciary ! You can imagine, there were appeals running left, right and centre.
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 22 January 2015 12:40:56 PM
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