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Hunting - With Firearms or Bows; Is it still a moral pursuit in 2015 ?
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Hunting is just another example of humanity's immoral ways of enjoyment, we kill other animals to give ourselfs small amounts of joy. We kill animals family's and sell them online to make a quick buck. May I remind you that we are animals too.
Posted by Pixenal, Thursday, 8 January 2015 7:11:59 PM
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Welcome, Pixenal,
<<May I remind you that we are animals too.>> No, if we were animals, than one couldn't demand that we behave other than "other" animals do, including hunting. But we do have an animal body and brain, with similar instincts as other animals have, yet we should master those bodies rather than follow their instinctual dictates and allow them to pull us down. Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 8 January 2015 7:19:42 PM
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All predatory animals kill by necessity, and most non-predatory animals will kill in self-defence, to protect their young and to protect their territory.
As far as I know, we are the only species that hoards bits of dead animals as furniture. Animals aren't 'civilised' enough to decide that the best thing to complement the new decor of their recently refurbished burrow is a nicely mounted cranium or a human-skin throw rug. Hunting is OK as long as it done for the right reasons. Hunting feral animals because they are environmental pests is a fine and noble pursuit; hunting animals for food is fine if you haven't got any other sources of protein. Trophy hunting is messed up. There is something a little bit 'Silence of the Lambs' about people who want to keep bits of dead animals just for decoration. Hunting with guns, bows, or even just pointy sticks and rocks is fine if you're doing it for the right reason. But if your reason is just because you like bloodshed then you should start following MMA instead, and if your reason is because you want a head to hang on your wall then you should just get a nice Van Gogh print or something. Posted by Jonathon Swift, Thursday, 8 January 2015 11:58:15 PM
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<freedom
1. the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants. "we do have some freedom of choice" synonyms:right to, entitlement to; More absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government. "he was a champion of Irish freedom".. the power of self-determination attributed to the will; the quality of being independent of fate or necessity.. 2. the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved. "the shark thrashed its way to freedom" synonyms:liberty, liberation, release, emancipation, deliverance..> I am not be attracted to trophy hunting and there are many other interests and recreational pursuits that leave me cold. I would not impinge on the freedom of others to undertake lawful pursuits and probably, the State is often too ready to limit and restrict for populist politics, particularly where influenced by the prevailing political correctness. It is not necessary to counter ad hominen that equates hunters with Hannibal Lecter. Nonetheless there are arguments for trophy hunting, see here, <Trophy Hunting Can Help African Conservation, Study Says John Pickrell for National Geographic News Trophy hunting can play an essential role in the conservation of African wildlife, according to a growing number of biologists. .. According to a recent study, in the 23 African countries that allow sport hunting, 18,500 tourists pay over $200 million (U.S.) a year to hunt lions, leopards, elephants, warthogs, water buffalo, impala, and rhinos. Private hunting operations in these countries control more than 540,000 square miles (1.4 million square kilometers) of land, the study also found. That's 22 percent more land than is protected by national parks. .. "To justify the continued existence of [protected] areas in the context of increasing demand for land, wildlife has to pay for itself and contribute to the economy, and hunting provides an important means of achieving this," Lindsey said.> http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2007/03/070315-hunting-africa.html In Australia, indigenous leaders are upset that the political correctness of 'animal welfare' activists scuttled plans for safari hunting of up to fifty crocodiles a year That could have brought in $millions for the NT. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-27/croc-safari-hunting-ruled-out-environment-minister-greg-hunt/5349122 Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 9 January 2015 12:59:29 AM
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Hi there JONATHON SWIFT...
Conceivably those who wish to pursue hunting as an activity should first, lodge a written entreaty with you, specifying their ground(s) ? Should you adjudicate their reasons as being morally acceptable, perhaps you'll provide them with your imprimatur, permitting them to participate in that activity ? Mate, I'm not a hunter either, in fact I'm against it; but provided it's lawful, that's it ! You can choose not to participate in it as a sport or activity if you wish, but I hardly think any of us can moralise about it, particularly if we're practising carnivores, do you ? Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 9 January 2015 2:02:29 PM
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I have had interesting talks with the deer hunters who sought and obtained approval to camp and take deer on the farm. Their ethics couldn't be faulted. Way better for them to take and use almost every part of the carcass. Is 1080 poison a better solution? Definitely not!
Very civil of them to report some invasive plants (straight out with the tractor to fix) and they knock off foxes and wild dogs. Then they spent well in town, for fuel and supplies helping to keep businesses afloat. Bargain! In Africa the larger animals are consumed by villagers I believe. It is very shortsighted of the federal government not to permit safari hunting for saltwater crocodiles in the NT. Predictably, the animal welfare activists - always with their begging bowl seeking public donations - seem to find no problem with the taxpayer paying small fortunes for public servants to 'rescue' crocs from public areas, only for them to return or displace other crocs elsewhere. There are no 'spare' niches in Nature, dears. There is no free ride and someone always has to pay. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 9 January 2015 2:25:11 PM
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